Update This war was started over an argument in the forums. A Ya_judgment_fi player was offered to war in a Warlor subclan, but was later denied the opportunity. IN the Week3 war 4 Thread this exchange took place. I tried to keep it together here and later I will put it at the top of the thread as well. Re: Estoc Trials - Week #3 War #4 - General Update by -WAR__-II-IMI-IF-__LOR- on Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:26 pm @Wilders...can you define who "us" is? Are we talking about Yafi or ZC? Both are highly respected clans. Instead of speaking in a vague and untruthful manner why don't you just come out and ask me what my thoughts are instead of putting words in my mouth from a third party? I don't even know who you are but your negative tone suggests you were maybe rejected from Warlor either because of your war record or the fact that you are a merc? The latter I have little respect for as we have had a few unloyal and unreliable mercs in the past and current have a perm member policy. Did I ever say we are spiritually high and mighty? I dont think so. All i said was that we dont cheat and respect should be give to the war record. Since you would like to know what i think about ZC... i'll tell you. It's a top heavy roster in need of balance. As your top are almost unhittable to most, it should come as no surprise that the bottom 4/5 are naturally taken out and sat on for plunder during EE. That enables close matches, most of which resulted in losses for ZC. I believe they are quickly learning EE and starting to improve in time ...much like us in the early days. I have a lot of good friends in ZC and they know this to be true from the many conversations we've had in pm. @Wilders: there are a lot of people in this world who are negative and/or coattail riding freeloaders. I have learned to push them out of my personal circle of friends as they do nothing but drag good/productive folks down. Don't be one those people by WILDERS_JUDGMENT-_-SlFU on Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:16 am @IMF i was talking about your leader, which in turn i guess speaks for all of you. I was sent to one of your sub clans as i was mercing. If your perm only policy was in effect, i guess i wouldnt have even made it inside the clan. Instead a day later i was contacted and told to drop my allegiance with wilders/yafi or go back to wilders and lose with them. I was also told that you guys dont give out free miths and equips. Haha big headed much?? This has nothing to do with ZC btw and im not here to talk to you about clan balancing. I'm just commenting on your clans values by IlWAR_VALORlI on Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:45 am @SIFU- if you want to bring this to forums , fine by me. I told you to stay in a Warlor clan you need to be perm. No EE clan worth their salt Mercs , it's simple - loyalty wins EE Mercs don't. You were let into a Warlor clan by dropping a Warlor leaders name . I said I don't appreciate deception and respect those who lie even less. You took advantage of a clan less than a day old. I gave you an opportunity to declare your current alliance. Anyone who applies to a Warlor clan must be perm, there is no secret about it. You told me not to disrespect a YAFI member. YAFI won't get you into Warlor, don't expect entrance based on your name or clan. I told you don't lie to try to get in, because we don't hand out mith and equipment. This doesn't make us high and mighty, we have a closed roster. I wouldn't lie to get into a YAFI clan, I would expect YAFI members would be just as respectful. If our clan "values" disagree with yours, to each our own. by WILDERS_JUDGMENT-_-SlFU on Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:56 am I was looking for a place to war. So i asked a friend. Then i was directed to go to warhounds. I wasnt trying to get into your fantastic warlor clan. Just wanted a place to war. Win or lose i dont care. And then you approach me like you're the queen and diss wilders. Big mistake Tell me. If you dont accept mercs in warlor then how did i get in and why were the instructions in ca "warlor members cast woc and guests to wall dark first...." by _NasH_ on Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:19 am WILDERS_JUDGMENT-_-SlFU wrote:Tell me. If you dont accept mercs in warlor then how did i get in and why were the instructions in ca "warlor members cast woc and guests to wall dark first...." Only if you know what we are doing, you could be a lesser noob than what you are. Now sushhh
Here is my amature take on this situation. Warlor Hellhounds has occasionally looked outside clan to gather the numbers needed to war in the difficult time slots. However when Hellhounds itself became popular, it turned around and said "Thanks but no thanks" to the Mercs. Now here is the the clincher. Which is more important? Should Warlor look out for the needs of it own perms, or should they honor the promises they made to guests? While I can understand their distrust for mercs, as long as you actively recruit guests to war with you, those guests needs should take precedence over your own. That is just proper manners. IMO I think SIFU has a right to be upset.
I decided to make a quick conservative guess. Judging from my own painful experience in the past (Yes, I've nobbed. lol) I thought it would cost about 15-16 grand, but said 10 just in case I over calculated. What can I say? I'm a noob. :lol: As for the 60 days, he could cut it down if he nobbed over multiple accounts and volleyed over. That would be even more expensive, though.
UPDATE Just to let you know the grace period is over. Ya_judgment_fi is presently hitting Warlor. Warlor warhounds is hitting back, so yafi is concentrating a lot on them.
Nash has since made an apology thread. Here is his post Dear IMF, I made a stupid comment on a kaw_admin thread. Knowing the OS/YAFI OSW history, I certainly did not wanted to call any YAFI a noob, neither do I feel about it. My comment came out of an agitation resulted from seeing so many comments against Warlor. I can only wish my comment was ignored. I have never done anything that may result in someone loosing a dime, and here you lost trillions. While no words can undo what has already been done. I apologize to YAFI and IMF. I did not wanted to hurt anyone. Insulting YAFI was the last thing I could have done. I am really sorry for my comments......
Very interesting……… wonder how warlor will be warring potless lol there goes the dream of ransor lvl50…… ~RUS
Look, I normally have a lot of respect for YAFI, but this doesn't paint them in a positive light. My clan .alpha. has not had a lot of EE action so I war with alliance clans - e.g. Regs and 46. I only war if they say cast WoC. If a clan wants a members only policy that is fine. I was once asked by a clan during EBs that I needed to be a perm to continue there, I declined and moved on. That's the way I view mature behavior. Here, it seems someone is upset they didn't get to EE and his clan took it as an opportunity to launch a without warning strip. Well, I don't see how that is so amazing as no war existed. So I would kind of limit the chest bumping on that front. Not sure what happens from here. I assume if an OSW happens you'll have some players fall out as always happens. Then the rest will hunker down to fight. Probably wont stop WarLor from doing EEs, nor will it stop anyone else for that matter.