On Tower Builds...

@ willy

Just because something is allowed or is legal does not mean that it is good for the game as a whole. Sure, a tower build like Hlneo's is legal but when it becomes impossible for a clan like IG to ko her even once makes us question the system. Games get modified all the time, why not Kaw?
 
Appreciate the post Willy. I know Foxes has many capable warriors. I want to make it clear that no disrespect was intended toward your clan.

However, joe_ originally said we were cheats and should have wins/mith/war history stripped from us, so I may have personalized my posts more than was appropriate for a thread debating tower builds.

That said, I still disagree with the basic tenets of ppl's anti-tower build arguments. These builds CAN be defeated, they can be emulated, they can be countered. (Cough hansel power cough.)

I agree, these new wars are fun, much better than the old turtle war mechanics. But some peoples' arguments sound like sour grapes. Why shouldn't a clan willing to put in hard work (activity and build discipline) and sacrifice (loss of plunder), gain an edge over a rival clan?

Respect to all and happy kawing.
 
@CrownJoolz -- I am thoroughly sorry, but do you see a clan with a hansel ratio of 2:1 to tower builds in some of the top clans? You might think that it is easier, but this would create giant wars with full hansel clans and full of tower builds. What fun is that? That sounds just as fun as a turtle war to me ;)
 
@crown.

These builds can be defeated, but have you ever tried to? Not easy. You need several huge spies to assassin it to dtw, which is nearly impossible because the spies are allowed only 2 xstals, and can't assassin past half bar because anything more is defeated by the towers. So it would take 4-5 big spies to ko just one tower build. That's a little excessive.
 
@Revelation - apology not necessary but appreciated anyway, the purpose of these threads is to debate differing viewpoints :) Giant wars with full hansel clans and tower builds sounds fun to me lol. Part of the evolution of the game, imo.

@The_Philosopher - It's not easy osw-ing against spy clans with MP allies, either, but such clans exist and are a very prominent part of KaW. Saying one type of clan makeup is ok and not another is a very fine line. I agree it's not easy dealing with such a clan, but it can be done. Taka's top 30 are 50% hansel, and we would put a tower build clan to the test.

On a side note, we started this build as a clan philosophy to ensure our survival in osw against a much stronger opponent, not as an 'exploit' to the estoc wars. Without it, a LB clan will always be able to utterly decimate a weaker clan. We adapted to survive, and are stronger for it. Any individual or clan is welcome to do the same.
 
Black hand pinned me the entire last war and I've been this build before cg even knew what it was...back when only cambji at Yafi had this build.
 
@ Philosopher

I want it switched. It's not a fair build. It's a loophole. Needs to be changed.

The term "cheaters" shouldn't apply to players that use it though.

Honestly, I find these wars immensely enjoyable as well. This is the type of thing that would ruin that.

@ Crown

This is why I give props to you all for exploiting it. When I went through your roster I laughed.

Your record reflects your clans resolve.

Looking at this objectively, I hope the mechanic is altered to eliminate the DTW to attacks status..

..but I also hope tower builds will be compensated for their build change as well.
 
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@ Crown
My build was slowed by towers. I have watched many players pass me by, but in the end it was by most a decision
made to prevent being made an easy target. Now that it is fruitful... People complain. I support Crown's statements.
 
@ willy

I agree that cheating is too harsh a word and we should drop it from the conversation.

The reason it comes into play, however, is in like cases like Pollyanna. She at the time did nothing that violated the game parameters, but the devs decided to remove 100k wins from her anyway. By doing so the devs set a precedent that any activity they don't like in the game can be punished even if it doesn't violate game parameters. In my opinion removing those wins were a very boneheaded move. They could have simply made them irrelevant by removing wins from the leader board calculation. However, since the devs did do that to Pollyanna, joe_here may very well be justified in demanding similar treatment in the tower case. ,
 
Zero's words says more than enough. Way more than what low level forum warrior noobs would understand. Close war beginning of last hour

Thanks to BH hospitality
 
@machine


I understand your reasoning. For the first two years of Kaw towers were treated mostly as a joke. Now that they have suddenly become really relevant everyone is scrambling around pointing fingers.

It all boils down to how the devs want people to play this game. Originally I believe they had an image of mostly attack builds that carried one or two spy buildings to spice things up. I'm sure they never thought of tower builds not even hansel builds for that matter. Question is now that the Kaw game had mutated, do they wish to bring it back to the original blue print or leave it in this mutated form.
 
@ Philosopher

I fully agree.

Only difference I see between now and then is that "precedent" doesn't need to be followed.

The TOU can be changed. Developers can change their mind on how things like this are handled.

Since the Pollyanna "ruling", ATA has shown that it makes decisions on a "at this moment" whim.

Educated decisions. But with zero regard to past rulings.

They really don't need to answer to anyone. They maintain a 5 star rating, even beyond the high-profile rage quits over the past year.
 
Believe it or not.. Pollyanna was just the first of a long line of hey " **** you" by the Devs. I was here for that. I was here for GTL's first 100k losses. I've been around, don't believe me? Try me. That's my motto. The fact is ... It's a glitch.. It will be fixed, but compensation? No flipping way.tell you what... Spend like red.. Play the game you want.
 
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