Freedom of Speech?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Keepo, Jan 14, 2015.

  1. Start with cleaning up hate n prejudice in the US 1st. The ability to form any group eg the National Alliance, White Knights etc.
    Freedom of Speech allows white supremacist groups to operate. Or ignore them like J Edgar Hoover did. The KKK is a big example.
     
  2. The victory strengthened Muhammad's position in Medina and dispelled earlier doubts among his followers.[122] As a result the opposition to him became less vocal. Pagans who had not yet converted were very bitter about the advance of Islam. Two pagans, Asma bint Marwan of the Aws Manat tribe and Abu 'Afak of the 'Amr b. 'Awf tribe, had composed verses taunting and insulting the Muslims.[123] They were killed by people belonging to their own or related clans, and Muhammad did not disapprove the killings.[123] Most members of those tribes converted to Islam and there was hardly any opposition from the pagans left.[124]

    In 632, at the end of the tenth year after migration to Medina, Muhammad completed his first truly Islamic pilgrimage, thereby teaching his followers the rites of the annual Great Pilgrimage, known as Hajj.[15]

    After completing the pilgrimage, Muhammad delivered a famous speech, known as The Farewell Sermon, at Mount Arafat east of Mecca. In this sermon, Muhammad advised his followers not to follow certain pre-Islamic customs. He declared that an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab.
    Also a white has no superiority over black, nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.[187]
    He abolished old blood feuds and disputes based on the former tribal system and asked for old pledges to be returned as implications of the creation of the new Islamic community.
    Commenting on the vulnerability of women in his society, Muhammad asked his male followers to "be good to women, for they are powerless captives (awan) in your households. You took them in God's trust, and legitimated your sexual relations with the Word of God, so come to your senses people, and hear my words ..." He told them that they were entitled to discipline their wives but should do so with kindness. He addressed the issue of inheritance by forbidding false claims of paternity or of a client relationship to the deceased, and forbade his followers to leave their wealth to a testamentary heir. He also upheld the sacredness of four lunar months in each year.[188][189][190] According to Sunni tafsir, the following Quranic verse was delivered during this event: "Today I have perfected your religion, and completed my favours for you and chosen Islam as a religion for you" (Quran 5:3).[15][191] According to Shia tafsir, it refers to the appointment of Ali ibn Abi Talib at the pond of Khumm as Muhammad's successor, this occurring a few days later when Muslims were returning from Mecca to Medina.


    My apologies that this is a wall of text. But it is as it is written.

    My comments are simple.
    1 true followers do not commit mass murder and should seek peace and understanding with whom the extremist refers to as the infidel.

    2 freedom of speech has always pertained to " within the rules of the land, you may say what you like freely as long as it is legal. If not then you will face the consequences of your words at the hand of the law"

    3 in no western nation is mocking a person or deity an offence punishable by death.

    4 Using a cartoon to justify murder is insanity whether you like it or not.

    5 je suis Charlie, I had never heard or cared about them until this atrocity.
    Now I have total sympathy for the people and their families butchered by psychotic murderers.
    I think that constitutes an own goal on the global stage for expressing the loving nature of Islam and bringing new believers to the faith.

    6 apologetic Muslims exist purely because of the actions of the extremist that a hire the world they do not control.

    7 if you move any where in the world other than the homeland of your faith. YOU have the responsibility to integrate and enhance that society in a positive non violent non hateful manner. These acts of violence and hatred condemn Muslims throughout the world.
    Muslims now are the most hated religion in the world due to the actions of extremists that persecute and murder in the name of a religion they do not even follow truthfully.
    How many lives of innocents must be destroyed by hatred , how many generations will be condemned due to the Ignorance of those who refuse to live peacefully in the modern world.
     
  3. no, as a Christian you shouldn't be able to do that. it's against your beliefs.
     
  4. You can't defend your beliefs whilst breaking them.

    That's like me standing there saying I hate thieves whilst pocketing a Mars bar
     
  5. I'm not sure if you are seeing things clearly. If you think Jews aren't criticized, in my opinion you are mistaken and/or being mislead.

    There are numerous articles, programs, and investigative reports "against" Jews or more likely Israel.

    If I say Allah is a scam and Mohammad is a pedophile. That is a lot different then saying things like this.

    Jew bag
    sand monkey
    Wet back
    Nigger
    Redneck
    White trash
    Camel jockey
    Spic


    You know all the names WE have called each other.

    Being critical, comical, demeaning of a entity is not the same as actual hate speech used against the individual.

    Would I draw pictures of Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah or any other religious figure in a insulting fashion? No but that's my choice.

    How long can we cater to clerics, priest, preachers, rabbis, popes? Should we live in fear because one of their flock may go postal?

    Some people would like freedom from the oppression of institionalized religion. And all the conflict it brings.
     
  6. I sense this thread will become a very messy argument or keyboard fight......
     
  7. Thread should be locked because it will turn nasty.

    Before it is though, as an infidel I should be recognised as weak and inferior and forgiven if I portray the prophet.

    I agree that Muslims have the right to be offended by the portrayal of the prophet, however, that offence should not extend to murder.
     
  8. Respect the brave Muslims?
    Charlie had it coming.
    What an inspiring call to arms.
    I am truly underwhelmed.

    Please tell me how it is brave to take an assault rifle into an office filled with cartoonists and shoot unarmed people?
    To tie up and murder civilians in other nations.

    Soldiers put on a uniform and engage on the battlefield. They do not murder indiscriminately. They should not ever ( note the should no army is perfect) as the prophet could tell you himself if you listened.

    Please Reasonably state why a cartoon deserves a death penalty?

    Please explain why a picture justifies the murder of innocent family men?

    Please explain why someone that disagrees with you deserves to die because of your sense of superiority?

    But most of all. Why you don't follow your prophets teachings of peace? I'm confused there.
     
  9. Teaching of "peace" only applies to those that follow the commandments of the prophets. Thats why radical extremists have a problem with the west. Its not because they are Christians or Jews. Its because they do not honor and follow the teachings of the prophets.

    They feel that the west does not respect their own Abrahamic God, the God of Moses, nor do they respect the prophets of God/Allah.


    “33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.”

    Excerpt From: Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan. “English Translation of the Qur'an.”
     
  10. And how exactly are they supposed to know that if they do not follow that religion?
     
  11. In a nation when on its currency it says:
    In God We Trust
    In a court:
    Swear on the Bible

    A single religion Nation gets attention
    Those r 2 reasons to shut up n mind ones own business. Do not speak of others out of ignorance n then deem what is or is not acceptable to them. Slaves n Natives had no freedom or human rights from their oppressors.
    Arguable still if they do.
    I say religions clean up their own messes with other religions n I'll get some popcorn. Brainwashed n indoctrinated ppl fight each other.
     
  12. What's to argue? Religion and people's right to freedom of speech and expression?

    Both are and should be guaranteed where I live.

    Yet we still act as if the Paris attacks are truly over drawings. Even with the overwhelming evidence it is happening for other reasons.

    It can't be the numerous military campaigns the French have waged.

    It can't be the fact the immigrants to France raised kids who turned out to morons. People for one reason or another ghettoized themselves in France. Kids who ran the street and got in trouble. Went to jails. Used drugs. Etc etc.

    I can go on and on. It can't be because the bombs never stop falling can it?
     
  13. Who are you talking to? Lol
     
  14. All ancient religions have purged lands of other religions/tribes without the victims knowing of why they are being attacked. Nothing new. Its been this way since the Hebrews purged lands of the wicked to make the lands of 12 Tribes of Israel.
     
  15. Myself I think

    And bombs falling. Easy solution. Stop the acts of aggression and the reprisals stop. Cut people's heads off and you force the west to drop bombs. Heck even the IRA learnt to understand integration works better than violence. Time for a lot more people to wake up and realise that acts of violence will only ever promote hate and more violence. Sadly that won't happen and many more will die in the name of religion.
     
  16. Just watched a show on Mars n human habitation n all thats involved. I wonder if all bias n prejudice would be left on earth. Thats the biggest IF humans have always faced.

    Constitution of Mars

    No race colour or creed or religion...
    ALL r created EQUAL
    If u prefer inequality don't come

    Leave our garbage here in our landfills.
    Thats it in a nutshell
     
  17. Thats why i hate cali too many restrictions here
     
  18. Sometimes I wish that there was no religion.

    Then we could kill each other for less stupid reasons.
     
  19. Prophets are depicted in many religions, and it's just a coincidence that prophets tend to share names too.

    Who's to say this isn't aimed at Christianity or Islamics or Muslims other than the author? No one, unless given clear definition it is in fact aimed at a religion.

    Don't be the judge for the authors.

    ✏️ Je Suis Charlie 
     
  20. Washington DC has no open carry at all. Even pocket knives are banned there. Pretty dumb.. Most state laws prohibit government from taking away the ability to carry personal protective devices. "Dangerous instruments" is the legal term.