Fight Mechanics

fishblackandwhite · Jun 5, 2012

Ty belle this is finally wat I've been after for all builds excellent work and Ty all for the work put in

Benefit87 · Jun 5, 2012

Sticky!

Seriously, ill be referencing this alot.

*-BWS- (01) · Jun 5, 2012

Sticky!!

llIlI_LR-RIPPER_IllII · Jun 5, 2012

Lol willy 

@nics- you'll have to make yourself more clear. It's either really early for me I have no idea what part you are talking about.

llIlI_LR-RIPPER_IllII · Jun 5, 2012

@miss- yeah. I'll probably replace this once all of the bugs are worked out.

IiIiIi_-GoD-oF-WaR-_iIiIiI · Jun 5, 2012

bellemorte said:

This is a guide that explains the exact fight mechanics for each build under every circumstance.

Definitions:
Attack Build: less than 25% spy troop buildings, the rest attack buildings (an example of this build is bellemorte- 3,657,776/3,693,152/419,000/809,000)

Hybrid Build: greater than 25% spy troop buildings, greater than 25% attack troop buildings (an example of this is Wulf - 2,219,112/2,219,112/1,004,400/2,076,240

Hansel Build: less than 25% attack troop buildings, the rest spy buildings (an example of this is: HeIIsBells- 229,488/229,488/2,888,240,3,180,560)

Pure Spy: no attack buildings, the rest spy troop buildings

Note: Throughout my testing I have found no correlation between towers and fight mechanics. This means- you can have 20 towers and they will not change the way mechanics work. ONLY TROOP BUILDINGS affect fight mechanics.

Note: There are 4 open slots that I have been unable to fill in. If anyone has that information, I will edit this post to include that information.

Attack build:

Gold out:

Above 20% on both
-
Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: Open for attack, open for steal

Above 20% spies below 20% attack-

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Below 20% spies above 20% attack
-
Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: open for attack, open steal

Below 20% both

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Zero Gold:

Above 20% on both

Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build:open for attack, open for steal

Above 20% spies below 20% attack

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Below 20% spies above 20% attack

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Below 20% both

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Hansel:

Gold out:

Above 20% on both-
Attack build: Open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: Open for attack, open for steal

Above 20% spies below 20% attack
Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Below 20% spies above 20% attack

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: open for attack, open for steal

Below 20% both

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Zero Gold:

Above 20% on both

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: open for attack, open for steal

Above 20% spies below 20% attack

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Below 20% spies above 20% attack

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Below 20% both

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Pure spy:

Gold out:

Above 20% spy-
Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: open for attack, open for steal

Below 20% spy-
Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Zero Gold:

Above 20% spy

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, open for steal

Below 20% spy
Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build:dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Hybrid:

Gold out:

Above 20% on both-
Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: open for attack, open for steal

Above 20% spies below 20% attack
Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build:

Below 20% spies above 20% attack

Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build:

Below 20% both

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

Zero Gold:

Above 20% on both

Attack build: open for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build: open for attack, open for steal

Above 20% spies below 20% attack

Attack build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, open for steal
Pure Spy build: open for steal
Hybrid build:

Below 20% spies above 20% attack

Attack build: open for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: open for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build:

Below 20% both

Attack build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Hansel build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal
Pure Spy build: dtw for steal
Hybrid build: dtw for attack, dtw for steal

The Strip

A lot of people out there are interested in a certain aspect of fight mechanics that allows for a player who is assassinated outside and has gold out to be open for steals their first and second regen out of attack pin but dtw for assassination and attack. Basically, this means that your clanmates cannot successfully pin you while you are sleeping if you have gold out (ie-if you are being stripped). Now- I'm going to post below the specific numbers on it, but here it is in layman's terms:
Player A is being stripped.
Player A's clan assassinates him to dtw.
Player A is dtw for attack and *** first and second regen out of pin (should be ~ 10 minutes), then he is open for steal but dtw for *** and attack
At third regen out of pin, Player A can be assassinated/attacked again until he is dtw for steals for the next 5 minutes.
So, you have a 5 minute dtw, 10 minute open window for steals when an outside player is attempting to pin Player A to prevent the strip

Now here are the tests:

(this is true for attack, hansel, and hybrid)

Attack troops pinned to 8800/47000 (18.7%), spy troops @ 0
Regened to 26.7% attack troops
Dtw for attack and assassination/Open for Steal

Hansel Test: 18.5% attack troops to 26.8%, susceptible to steal, dtw to *** and attack
Second regen, open for ***, attack, and steal
Pinned below 20%, dtw for all

Rinse and repeat

Special Thanks to Wulf for allowing GlaDOS to put you through a series of test ... for science,
IlIlllIIll_The__Dragon___IllIIIllII for his belief that he truly would receive cake at the end, my hubby (who actually did receive cake), Poppabear for pissing me off enough to initially start testing, Corinthian for goading me into doing it.
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STICKYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The_Creditor · Jun 5, 2012

Good thread. But in a few months, devs will have successfully eliminated PvP completely.

Razzamatazz · Jun 5, 2012

Nice Belle. It will never help me, because I'm an old, disgruntled PWar noob, but I'm sure this is great for people who actually play the game.

The_Creditor · Jun 5, 2012

Did you really have to quote the entire OP, retard?

C00KIE_MONSTER · Jun 6, 2012

Nice Thread

-_PaNiC-__- · Jun 7, 2012

lol...you think it's a good change that clannies can't keep you pinned to prevent a strip? Forcing people that have a lot of gold (plus real money) invested in this game to be afraid to have any bit of a social life, it's a ridicules change.
Every war clan should put on their info page to forget about having allies if you want to go out partying any night, don't bother sleeping either, who needs sleep anyway...lol
It just encourages people with only one account to go pure spy, like everyone else here seems to be doing.

Undead · Jun 7, 2012

another well done mechanics guide, thank you Belle

LACEDAEM0N · Jun 10, 2012

Is this the same for both system and off system fights?

Jakki · Jun 10, 2012

Bump for Gripper

-_-Man-_- · Jun 10, 2012

Yet

Jakki · Jun 12, 2012

Bump.

Why is this not sticky yet? 

l_Love_KaW · Jun 12, 2012

@daemon this applies to all warring/ hitting.

l_Love_KaW · Jun 12, 2012

Sticky!!

-AIex- · Jun 25, 2012

Belle,

Attack build , zero cash, spy below 20%, attack above 20%, is open for attack. I will suggest to correct ur fight mechanics on pg 1

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inactive391501 · Jun 26, 2012

Bump for my Dragon Force friends.

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