AR-15s, M240s, M16s, M4s and the Like
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Original_Belladonna said:I have read through all of these comments and honestly wish I could like, or thumbs up or down certain comments. I never expected this post to grow like it did. I am very interested in all of your viewpoints. I understand my OP was vague and probably not the best worded, according to some, but let me assure you I worded it that way for dialogue purposes.
With that dialogue opened up, I have seen many views. I have also seen some not so mature behavior from some of you. I would love for this conversation to continue. Getting viewpoints from the mass is the only way to a solution. And we clearly need a solution to this problem in the United States.
My stance is this: I believe in the second amendment and believe you should own a firearm if you want. However, I think there should be stricter regulations regarding certain types of firearms. As many of you said, it’s a tool. You are correct, it is a tool used. Each one has a different purpose just like your regular garden tools or garage tools. Now, with that in mind, not everyone should be handling certain types of tools. I wouldn’t handle a fully automatic weapon just as I wouldn’t handle a jackhammer.
The regulations I would like to see implemented are: a 14 day waiting period, must be 21 years old to purchase a firearm, must pass a mental health check and background check with both being mandatory, banning of certain accessories like the bump stock, require an individual to go through an extensive training/safety course, and have yearly re-registry and background check/mental health check.
Even just one child dying in a school shooting is too much. And we have to look at the one critical fact: All mass shootings happen with a firearm. The firearm is the common denominator in every shooting, whether it be from suicide, robbery, murder, etc.
Please keep the discussion going, I offered my view as to how we can possibly try to curb some of this violence. If there’s something you disagree with or agree with, post about it. I’m intrigued to keep listening to your viewpoints. But be mature, we don’t need name calling and saying someone is butt-hurt. Be civilized and understand that everyone has a viewpoint and is most likely different than yours. Similar sometimes, but not quite the same.
You cover so many points here it’s tough to speak to each one individually. But it’s a good starting point for some realistic goals / ideas.
But more people are murdered with hammers in the US annually than by rifles / shotguns. And they are used in mass murder attacks as well.
http://abc7news.com/archive/8646035/
X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X
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It's a tool .... so by your logic a football is a tool , a golf club is a tool , hell even a banana peel is a tool
Correct ??
Correct ??
Original_Belladonna said:I have read through all of these comments and honestly wish I could like, or thumbs up or down certain comments. I never expected this post to grow like it did. I am very interested in all of your viewpoints. I understand my OP was vague and probably not the best worded, according to some, but let me assure you I worded it that way for dialogue purposes.
With that dialogue opened up, I have seen many views. I have also seen some not so mature behavior from some of you. I would love for this conversation to continue. Getting viewpoints from the mass is the only way to a solution. And we clearly need a solution to this problem in the United States.
My stance is this: I believe in the second amendment and believe you should own a firearm if you want. However, I think there should be stricter regulations regarding certain types of firearms. As many of you said, it’s a tool. You are correct, it is a tool used. Each one has a different purpose just like your regular garden tools or garage tools. Now, with that in mind, not everyone should be handling certain types of tools. I wouldn’t handle a fully automatic weapon just as I wouldn’t handle a jackhammer.
The regulations I would like to see implemented are: a 14 day waiting period, must be 21 years old to purchase a firearm, must pass a mental health check and background check with both being mandatory, banning of certain accessories like the bump stock, require an individual to go through an extensive training/safety course, and have yearly re-registry and background check/mental health check.
Even just one child dying in a school shooting is too much. And we have to look at the one critical fact: All mass shootings happen with a firearm. The firearm is the common denominator in every shooting, whether it be from suicide, robbery, murder, etc.
Please keep the discussion going, I offered my view as to how we can possibly try to curb some of this violence. If there’s something you disagree with or agree with, post about it. I’m intrigued to keep listening to your viewpoints. But be mature, we don’t need name calling and saying someone is butt-hurt. Be civilized and understand that everyone has a viewpoint and is most likely different than yours. Similar sometimes, but not quite the same.
Let’s dive in. So you want more regulations. Wait until 21 eh? Then I guess you need to wait until 21 to join the military. You can’t have 18yr olds come back home not being able to own the guns they were trained on and or use them because federal law says they can’t handle it. Also can’t do medical background checks as you would violate doctor/ patients privacy act (hippa). There already training course required for underage owners. Remember any encroachment on the 2nd amendment is still encroachment on citizen rights.
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_Sinan_ said:
That's the pot calling the kettle black isn't
Fact and reality is there are many countries that have gun reform and next to none mass killings and school shootings but you cannot handle something factual being pointed out
The first reaction of pro guns peeps is to pull out stats and figures regarding other forms of death as your justification and blame mental health issues , whilst not accepting that if there were less of these weapons freely available innocent people wouldn't be dying
WAR-Rogue-RAW
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________G_D_M_F_S_O_B_____ said:
Actually isis was created out of the devistated movement Osama Binladin created to get them out of occupation from Brition, study your history nimrod!
X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X
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Sinan .... just went to my local hardware store for work and bugger me .... they haven't heard of a semi automatic hammer ....mate , where can i buy one?
X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X
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Thats not a hand/claw hammer
X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X
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So this what was used in your one off i have proof post Sinan ?
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Rogue said:
So are you saying that any citizen foreign or domestic has the right to take up arms again a tyrant , suppressor or a government dpmestic or foreign if they feel threatened as a form of defence ?
X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X said:
Most non Americans don’t “get it”, and even some Americans don’t anymore because they have forgotten the history of the foundation of our country.
But basically yes. People that live under oppressive regimes should overthrow them. Or be oppressed for eternity.
And anyone that threatens my family with violence has best be prepared to receive it in kind.
YA__BlackCenturion__FI
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I can see arguments on both sides. Someone before made good argument about root of the problem being in violence. Guns alone and gun culture are not evil on its own. There gotta be more to it. Criminal element being one, economic reality and overall country stability play role too.
I live in the country that has great gun culture. I have a licence and I own guns - semi automatic assault guns. I feel safe, so it is not the reason i own guns. I like shooting them on a range and I am good at it. I would not like someone telling me that what I am doing is wrong, immoral and dangerous. I had to pass most stringent background check to be able to own and use what I like. To me it is all about balance. I had to list a guarantor on my application - citizen in good standing that would vouch for me. I had to list all my "domestic partners" i had in last 5 years and obtain their consent. Pretty thorough several page application that took government 6 months to approve. On top of that extensive training. No psychiatric testing, no doctors.
Well trained, law abiding gun owners are not the issue. Criminal elements are.
Ask any police officer how many violent crimes he or she stopped in the middle of it's happening? Many will tell you - none. They arrive when evil has already happened. So I understand that part of argument, that you need to defend yourself.
I do also understand position of victims, that see a gun in the hand of unstable person as element tipping scales disproportionately between safety of their own and someone else's right to own weapons.
But in those situations guns are only part of the issue. There is more.
In Switzerland military service is compulsory. You got to keep your service weapon at the end of your term. Switzerland - country of low crime against property rate, yet full of high powered assault rifles in almost every household. Why they have no crime? Cause economic fabric of country is different than USA, Those that have weapons are well trained and know how to use them and therefore nobody tries anything dumb.
Incidentally in Alaska, weapons are a common thing because of not criminal element, but wildlife. Encounters with bears are very common, so many carry guns in cars or on their person. Very low crime against property rate there. Cause everyone is armed and knows how to use weapon.
My point, guns alone are not a problem.
I live in the country that has great gun culture. I have a licence and I own guns - semi automatic assault guns. I feel safe, so it is not the reason i own guns. I like shooting them on a range and I am good at it. I would not like someone telling me that what I am doing is wrong, immoral and dangerous. I had to pass most stringent background check to be able to own and use what I like. To me it is all about balance. I had to list a guarantor on my application - citizen in good standing that would vouch for me. I had to list all my "domestic partners" i had in last 5 years and obtain their consent. Pretty thorough several page application that took government 6 months to approve. On top of that extensive training. No psychiatric testing, no doctors.
Well trained, law abiding gun owners are not the issue. Criminal elements are.
Ask any police officer how many violent crimes he or she stopped in the middle of it's happening? Many will tell you - none. They arrive when evil has already happened. So I understand that part of argument, that you need to defend yourself.
I do also understand position of victims, that see a gun in the hand of unstable person as element tipping scales disproportionately between safety of their own and someone else's right to own weapons.
But in those situations guns are only part of the issue. There is more.
In Switzerland military service is compulsory. You got to keep your service weapon at the end of your term. Switzerland - country of low crime against property rate, yet full of high powered assault rifles in almost every household. Why they have no crime? Cause economic fabric of country is different than USA, Those that have weapons are well trained and know how to use them and therefore nobody tries anything dumb.
Incidentally in Alaska, weapons are a common thing because of not criminal element, but wildlife. Encounters with bears are very common, so many carry guns in cars or on their person. Very low crime against property rate there. Cause everyone is armed and knows how to use weapon.
My point, guns alone are not a problem.
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When you liberals point out that certain countries have strict gun control and have little to no mass shootings you never take into account the difference in size of the country and the populations.X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X said:
You anti-gun SJW's like to compare countries with the size and population of a single U.S state. It doesn't seem very fair and skews the facts.
X2X-EllLllLllAllBllUllRllG-X2X
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Its much the same when you try and use comparisons of violent crime from one country to another not knowing that what constitutes sexual assault , general assault and general misdemeanors differ from country to country.
As long as those stat work in your favour it's all good hey
As long as those stat work in your favour it's all good hey
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