AR-15s, M240s, M16s, M4s and the Like

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YA__BlackCenturion__FI said:
I can see arguments on both sides. Someone before made good argument about root of the problem being in violence. Guns alone and gun culture are not evil on its own. There gotta be more to it. Criminal element being one, economic reality and overall country stability play role too.
I live in the country that has great gun culture. I have a licence and I own guns - semi automatic assault guns. I feel safe, so it is not the reason i own guns. I like shooting them on a range and I am good at it. I would not like someone telling me that what I am doing is wrong, immoral and dangerous. I had to pass most stringent background check to be able to own and use what I like. To me it is all about balance. I had to list a guarantor on my application - citizen in good standing that would vouch for me. I had to list all my "domestic partners" i had in last 5 years and obtain their consent. Pretty thorough several page application that took government 6 months to approve. On top of that extensive training. No psychiatric testing, no doctors.
Well trained, law abiding gun owners are not the issue. Criminal elements are.
Ask any police officer how many violent crimes he or she stopped in the middle of it's happening? Many will tell you - none. They arrive when evil has already happened. So I understand that part of argument, that you need to defend yourself.
I do also understand position of victims, that see a gun in the hand of unstable person as element tipping scales disproportionately between safety of their own and someone else's right to own weapons.
But in those situations guns are only part of the issue. There is more.
In Switzerland military service is compulsory. You got to keep your service weapon at the end of your term. Switzerland - country of low crime against property rate, yet full of high powered assault rifles in almost every household. Why they have no crime? Cause economic fabric of country is different than USA, Those that have weapons are well trained and know how to use them and therefore nobody tries anything dumb.
Incidentally in Alaska, weapons are a common thing because of not criminal element, but wildlife. Encounters with bears are very common, so many carry guns in cars or on their person. Very low crime against property rate there. Cause everyone is armed and knows how to use weapon.
My point, guns alone are not a problem.[/quote

Thanks Black Centurion for a well written and very balanced post
I am far from opposed to owning firearms , i have half dozen of my own .... all bolt action with a 6 or 8 shot magazines that have been used in the past for pest control only
I think most people who are commenting in the negative are trying to work out why the weapons used in the past shootings are available and for what use are they for especially in urban and suburban zones
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ML_LordRohit_ML said:
There is no need

Wait until kids and grandkids of republicans get shot up in their schools and then we’ll see change

Until then, NRA and Republicans be like, “Mental issues are the real killers” and “we’re very sorry for your loss, but we’re not going to do anything about it”
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Making guns illegal won’t help tbh.. I could 3D print a gun tomorrow and use a metal pipe for a barrel and an air tank... it’s honestly not hard but hey I could become a million/billionaire tomorrow if guns get outlawed but hey I wouldn’t go that.. but gangs will... the Mexican Cartels will... how would places with gang Violence turn out if everyone they rob becomes unarmed? Trying to save a small percentage murders (mass shooting) of to increase murders in other areas (gangs planned kills ect) isn’t fixing a problem. And ppl keep adding in suicides which is well over half of gun deaths and call them murder.
 
DrunkenBoss said:
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
There is no need

Wait until kids and grandkids of republicans get shot up in their schools and then we’ll see change

Until then, NRA and Republicans be like, “Mental issues are the real killers” and “we’re very sorry for your loss, but we’re not going to do anything about it”
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Making guns illegal won’t help tbh.. I could 3D print a gun tomorrow and use a metal pipe for a barrel and an air tank... it’s honestly not hard but hey I could become a million/billionaire tomorrow if guns get outlawed but hey I wouldn’t go that.. but gangs will... the Mexican Cartels will... how would places with gang Violence turn out if everyone they rob becomes unarmed? Trying to save a small percentage murders (mass shooting) of to increase murders in other areas (gangs planned kills ect) isn’t fixing a problem. And ppl keep adding in suicides which is well over half of gun deaths and call them murder.
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I agree with you 100%.

When you make something illegal you just stop the law-abiding citizens from obtaining it while the gangs get richer and stronger from distributing the very thing that was made illegal.

“To Conquer a Nation, First Disarm its Citizens"
 
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
There is no need

Wait until kids and grandkids of republicans get shot up in their schools and then we’ll see change

Until then, NRA and Republicans be like, “Mental issues are the real killers” and “we’re very sorry for your loss, but we’re not going to do anything about it”
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I love this one.

Hey lord did you forget about the mass shooting of the GOP baseball practice? ALL the republicans were there and fired upon by a left wing radical that worked for Bernie Sanders campaign. Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R) was critically wounded and he still won’t touch the 2nd amendment. Did you forget about that one ? Well it wasn’t really mentioned a whole lot on CNN.......it didn’t fit the Russia narrative that the DNC media has been pushing.
 
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...d ... 60203.html

Must be more fake news. Man assaulted in the street and beaten to death by 8 unarmed teenagers. He probably did something to deserve it huh? Probably had no business walking down that street. “Know your place and stay there” eh?

Supposedly 8 unarmed teenagers. How threatening could they have been? @Ellburg might ask.

Too bad the victim didn’t have a semi-auto handgun to defend himself. If they were really determined to kill him he might have needed 30 or more rounds to kill them all.

Maybe they’d have all fled after he shot the first one. Maybe he could have stopped the assault with only 6-8 rounds in a revolver. But wouldn’t you prefer to have more than an 8 shot revolver if in his shoes? Most people can’t shoot and reload as fast as Jerry Miculek. Most people would want the freedom to choose the firearm they are most capable with in that scenario.

But people like @Ellburg sit back in their sheltered seeming homes, living their sheltered feeling lives, and think they should be able to dictate what others defend themselves with. Never thinking about each individual’s personal physical limitations or disabilities. They only focus on single individual tragedies and make the naive determination that their uninformed opinions about firearms based in those isolated incidents can be extrapolated to all violent scenarios.

I for one won’t stand for it. I’ve written my Congressmen. I will continue to. I will write to my state reps. I will call them all repeatedly. We can not afford to have this or any other civil right revoked. If you value your rights I encourage you to engage your senators and reps. Be heard or we will lose our rights. I will be heard.
 
illIIlIHOLYIlIIlDOMOIlIlIIi said:
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
There is no need

Wait until kids and grandkids of republicans get shot up in their schools and then we’ll see change

Until then, NRA and Republicans be like, “Mental issues are the real killers” and “we’re very sorry for your loss, but we’re not going to do anything about it”
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I love this one.

Hey lord did you forget about the mass shooting of the GOP baseball practice? ALL the republicans were there and fired upon by a left wing radical that worked for Bernie Sanders campaign. Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R) was critically wounded and he still won’t touch the 2nd amendment. Did you forget about that one ? Well it wasn’t really mentioned a whole lot on CNN.......it didn’t fit the Russia narrative that the DNC media has been pushing.
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics ... index.html

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com ... index.html

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com ... index.html

Seacrched up “shooting at GOP baseball practice” these four links were the 4th,5th,6th,7th links. FOX didn’t even show up on first page. Pls tell me more on how CNN didn’t cover it dumbass
 
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
illIIlIHOLYIlIIlDOMOIlIlIIi said:
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
There is no need

Wait until kids and grandkids of republicans get shot up in their schools and then we’ll see change

Until then, NRA and Republicans be like, “Mental issues are the real killers” and “we’re very sorry for your loss, but we’re not going to do anything about it”
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I love this one.

Hey lord did you forget about the mass shooting of the GOP baseball practice? ALL the republicans were there and fired upon by a left wing radical that worked for Bernie Sanders campaign. Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R) was critically wounded and he still won’t touch the 2nd amendment. Did you forget about that one ? Well it wasn’t really mentioned a whole lot on CNN.......it didn’t fit the Russia narrative that the DNC media has been pushing.
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com ... index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics ... index.html

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com ... index.html

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com ... index.html

Seacrched up “shooting at GOP baseball practice” these four links were the 4th,5th,6th,7th links. FOX didn’t even show up on first page. Pls tell me more on how CNN didn’t cover it ​
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So let me get this straight.

You argue that Republicans will change their mind once they are victims of mass shootings. Domo proceeds to give an example of a shooting at the GOP baseball practice. Your rebuttal is to link articles that CNN also reported on this shooting.

...This is a joke right?
 
Did you, statless alt, read the last sentence of what idiot boy domo said? I was just showing that CNN did cover the story, unlike what Domo said. He’s clearly a FOX fanatic and they didn’t even show up on the first page, unless you specifically search up a FOX article.
 
_Sinan_ said:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...d-One-Day-After-Being-Attacked-478360203.html

Must be more fake news. Man assaulted in the street and beaten to death by 8 unarmed teenagers. He probably did something to deserve it huh? Probably had no business walking down that street. “Know your place and stay there” eh?

Supposedly 8 unarmed teenagers. How threatening could they have been? @Ellburg might ask.

Too bad the victim didn’t have a semi-auto handgun to defend himself. If they were really determined to kill him he might have needed 30 or more rounds to kill them all.

Maybe they’d have all fled after he shot the first one. Maybe he could have stopped the assault with only 6-8 rounds in a revolver. But wouldn’t you prefer to have more than an 8 shot revolver if in his shoes? Most people can’t shoot and reload as fast as Jerry Miculek. Most people would want the freedom to choose the firearm they are most capable with in that scenario.

But people like @Ellburg sit back in their sheltered seeming homes, living their sheltered feeling lives, and think they should be able to dictate what others defend themselves with. Never thinking about each individual’s personal physical limitations or disabilities. They only focus on single individual tragedies and make the naive determination that their uninformed opinions about firearms based in those isolated incidents can be extrapolated to all violent scenarios.

I for one won’t stand for it. I’ve written my Congressmen. I will continue to. I will write to my state reps. I will call them all repeatedly. We can not afford to have this or any other civil right revoked. If you value your rights I encourage you to engage your senators and reps. Be heard or we will lose our rights. I will be heard.
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That last paragraph , did you stand in front of a rippling American flag , automatic weapon across your chest staring poignantly with your head held high and a hard set jaw when you wrote this
By the way , that article says more about the spinelss 8 than gun ownership ... spin it as much as you want
What about if i spin it and say , what could have happened if these 8 had access to semi automatic handguns/rifles
If they are capable of killing unarmed , they would be more than capable of multiple deaths with the proper "tools"
 
Sheltered lives you say
I have the most free life , and so do million and millions of people , probably more so then what the average American thinks
If you mean i have the freedom to move and be anywhere in the greatest country on the earth without ever feeling threatened by my government or the citizens living there then yes , i am severely sheltered
Off of with my mates to pop a few rabbits off with my .22 bolt action Bruno knowing full well that i won't have some **** scared fool thinking we are going to shoot up a school and confronting us with a multiple firing weapon thinking they are Dirty Harry
 
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
Did you, statless alt, read the last sentence of what idiot boy domo said? I was just showing that CNN did cover the story, unlike what Domo said. He’s clearly a FOX fanatic and they didn’t even show up on the first page, unless you specifically search up a FOX article.
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A majority of his post had nothing to do with CNN or FOX. His point was that there was a GOP shooting that happened recently and that it has hardly affected their views on gun control. Instead of showing how it has affected their views, your rebuttal was linking CNN articles on the shooting.

Also, good job on bringing size of KaW accounts into the topic of gun control.
 
ML_LordRohit_ML said:
Did you, statless alt, read the last sentence of what idiot boy domo said? I was just showing that CNN did cover the story, unlike what Domo said. He’s clearly a FOX fanatic and they didn’t even show up on the first page, unless you specifically search up a FOX article.
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Lol you are clearly a cnn fake news fanatic because your google brought up the DNC media first. Fox covered it non stop. CNN posted it on internet and went in about Russia Russia Russia.
To go on your first snowflakey post about gop grandparent will get their grandchildren shot yada yada. Sounds like that you are hoping for that to evoke some type of change ?
 
And if we are gonna start getting nasty with the name calling you might need to call your comfort dog in or we can keep it civil ? Because we know you want GOP kids getting killed in order to make yourself feel better...eh?
 
At elburg

That’s how I always stand :D

What you fail to acknowledge is people murder, weapons don’t. Weapons can be used to murder or to defend and protect.

One man vs 8 has no chance if unarmed. Most people in that scenario would choose a semi auto handgun (oh horror of horrors). A man thusly armed also stands a better chance of survival even if the 8 are similarly armed so your point is ridiculous.

You also fail to realize that females are at a physical disadvantage typically against a male criminal. A person with a physical disability is typically at a physical disadvantage also. And just to inform, since you obviously need to be, the vast majority of violent criminals are abled bodied males.

But you would dictate that everyone, females the disabled, everyone would be rendered defenseless in the face of a violent criminal.

It’s a free country in the good old USA and I support your freedom to choose a victim mentality. I do not support your desire to make everyone else equally as defenseless as you choose to make yourself.
 
Im not really following this thread, because no one here is interested in discussion, just being correct. However, your in denial of reality if you think lax gun regulations dont help criminals. People buy em buy the truckload in Nevada for the California black market.
 
_Sinan_ said:
At elburg

That’s how I always stand :D

What you fail to acknowledge is people murder, weapons don’t. Weapons can be used to murder or to defend and protect.

One man vs 8 has no chance if unarmed. Most people in that scenario would choose a semi auto handgun (oh horror of horrors). A man thusly armed also stands a better chance of survival even if the 8 are similarly armed so your point is ridiculous.

You also fail to realize that females are at a physical disadvantage typically against a male criminal. A person with a physical disability is typically at a physical disadvantage also. And just to inform, since you obviously need to be, the vast majority of violent criminals are abled bodied males.

But you would dictate that everyone, females the disabled, everyone would be rendered defenseless in the face of a violent criminal.

It’s a free country in the good old USA and I support your freedom to choose a victim mentality. I do not support your desire to make everyone else equally as defenseless as you choose to make yourself.[/quote

At what stage have i ever said about people being disarmed Sinan

Obviously English is a second language to you so I will try and make this clear for you

I don't see that the ownership of a semi automatic or automatic weapons as a form if self defense is a justifiable excuse to own one especially in cities and urban areas

You might , but then again i dont have to try and justify why i drive a semi trailer to school to drop off my kids
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