Dude, how could a kid gamble without a credit card or the password to an iTunes account with a credit card?
Everyone keeps mentioning 9 year olds. ToC clearly states ATA services are available for persons age 13 and older, and under 18 must review the ToC with a guardian The 9plus is a game rating, set by evaluation boards. If the game no longer fits 9 plus, then submit it to apple/android for re-rating Honestly, James Bond videogames are rated T, and James is a gambler, among other non-role model things. I certainly wouldnt want Bond advising teens on relationships
Dude, kids are pretty resourceful. You reckon they couldn't get their little hands on their mum or dads credit card? :lol: Again, this is the parents at fault for not being more careful. But does the fact that they might not actually be able to access it, make it okay to incentivize gambling on a game with 9 plus age rating? Edit: Okay I'll rephrase. Does the fact that they might not actually be able to access it, make it okay to incentivize gambling on a game that allows 13 year olds to play?
Are you suggesting punishing ATA by making them remove or restrict this feature because a kid MIGHT get hold of their parents' credit card? If so, it is my opinion that your expectation of an age rating being a sufficient shield for your children is quite a bit misguided and, frankly, naive. But that's just my opinion. We obviously don't see eye to eye on this, so I won't pursue the discussion between you and I further, but I'm really grateful that you decided to participate in this debate and contribute your very well-thought out and mature comments. I wish we had more forumers like ya
Yes, i looked it up on Apple's ios store. However, that app doesnt connect its users with a real gambling site... It is virtual (even though you can pay real money to gamble away your virtual currency) Still, it teaches how to gamble Edit- id also mention the Commonwealth of Kentucky banned online gambling a couple years ago, and are actively suing gambling companies for continuing operations online. It comes down to a tax issue where online companies dont pay gambling taxes.
I never suggested ATA be punished. Neither did I ever say that an age restriction should be enough to keep a child safe. Thinking like that is plain stupid and I never thought it sufficient. Not sure where you pulled that from cause it was certainly not my point in any way. I'd like to see an on/off toggle if ads can't be appropriate for ages. I like to be able to have a discussion with people. We don't have to see eye to eye. Debate is good. However, I don't need to resort to personal insults and sarcastic comments when I don't agree with someone. Forums are open for discussion, no need to be sarcastic when someone doesn't agree with you.
@MU - interesting. So it's gambling without the possibility of actually winning anything tangible? That sounds a lot worse than real gambling.
All your arguments I've seen on forums consist of irrelevant and slightly ignorant comments. Unfortunately for ATA - and this has been brought up before - the official rating of this game, if it is downloaded from the iTunes Store, is 9 plus. If you also knew anything about this, the game will not be re-rated by Apple, that is policy. James Bond video games do not incentivise kids to gamble, with a reward in some sort of currency. I'm not even sure where you get the idea of Bond advising teens on relationships because no where does he do that... If you're going to make an argument, make a decent one, on topic and not consisting of random irrelevant things. Lol.
@imitation While i don't agree with you on certain topics, I can understand some of your logic. So I want to apologize for my rude behavior the previous night.
Cheese I'm sorry but this thread is becoming poor. You are agreeing and supporting anyone who follows your ideal and giving random analogies and poorly thought out responses to those who don't follow the ideal. The drug dealer analogy was poor. The Samsung analogy was poor. The idea kids being able to access their parents credit card affects whether it is ethical to advertise gambling to kids is poor. Your failure to realise that the issue is with ATA incentivising the downloading and use of such apps is poor. Your understanding of how kids think is poor - I hope you were never swayed to purchase or do something as a child based on advertising. (That would make you nearly the only person, ever). Please. Just outline clearly, how it is acceptable for an app, or any service, shop, etc - that advertises itself to be (young) child friendly, can encourage children to gamble or pass away personal information. Away from bad parenting, we are talking about the ethics of such a decision.
Correct. Zynga Poker is also a virtual card game. Not a sports betting website. If you didn't realise.
Thanks, sith. Even if you hadn't apologized, I still think you're a good forumer. You bring solid arguments in every thread you visit. I hope we get to cross intellectual swords here more often. Seems most of the old good forumers are gone, so it's time for a new crop to rise.
Sorry, anarchy. My debate skills are poor, so I don't think I should waste your time with another poor response.
Fair enough, I just think you are too clear cut on this whole parenting thing and don't seem to remember what being a kid is like, which ironically contributes to some of the worst parenting. There's a huge difference between a kid downloading a gambling app or giving away personal information on their own accord, and doing these things because they are encouraged to. You keep failing to mention the encouragement/reward aspect in all of your responses - which is the key reason this is an issue. ATA is endorsing/rewarding accessing age inappropriate material, which is why it is their fault.
Yep. You said that about 3 times in this thread already. Your point is well-understood. Thanks for visiting my thread, bud ️