Let's not forget that the Jedi order was corrupt and was very contradictory of the things it taught, much like the bible when you think about it... Only a lot cooler.
If a person posts something, no matter what it is. " I like squirrels, I think they are entertaining rats" for example. Then the person posting said topic obviously cares and the insult only makes the player look like an idiot. Please don't tell the idiots how to hide from us for slightly longer.
"Looking at this from an in-universe point of view there seems to be a relatively straightforward answer. At the point where Kenobi says his rather bizarre and (to us) obviously illogical line he is still very much a part of the "old" Jedi order and a product of its flawed thinking. The Jedi had wallowed for a long time in the gray areas of indecision, hesitation, and doubt and that was the prime reason that they failed to foresee and prevent Sidious' plans. Kenobi's misguided assertions are the product of widespread institutional failure on the part of the Jedi order. At the point where he says the line in question, the philosophy underpinning it is completely real and true for him. Only much later in the years leading up to the events of ANH does Kenobi have the time to reflect upon, learn from, and correct his mistaken perspective. This process of growth is mirrored by Yoda's own journey of reflection, which began in the immediate aftermath of his duel with Sidious. Later on when Yoda is training Luke we see that the ancient Jedi master has banished the cognitive fogs that plagued him - finally he is able to see reality as well as his own past failures of perception. His famous line "do or do not, there is no try" seems to be firmly focused upon the idea of concrete results - something the Jedi and the rebellion desperately need. There is no time left for the indecision and ambiguity of the pre-Empire era, and Yoda has grown to understand that the only chance for success lies in the careful and deliberate integration of two of the Sith's greatest strengths into the training of the Jedi: forceful, confident action and clarity of purpose."
I would disagree, Cheese. Saying "No one cares" is not a hypothesis or a statement, but rather a literary device called a hyperbole. In my opinion, it gets a point across more clearly to say "no one cares" rather than saying "only 5 people care". The use of hyperboles can be a powerful literary tool in some cases. It's the same thing as saying "one in a million" or any other overexaggeration you can think of. Also, when in an unscientific debate, it is weak to use words that introduce uncertainty such as "I think". In a debate, you want to prove that you are right, by using definite statements which assert that you are correct, whether you may be correct or not. And if someone comes up to you and says, "hey, don't speak in absolutes because not EVERYONE is this way", then you can simply respond by stating that you were using an expression to state how the overwhelming majority of people are a certain way.
When you have to take a critical thinking class to understand the literal meaning of "no one cares." How... Unfortunate.
@ Nathan When a scientist says it's an absolute. They are really saying " I am a moron, that has not considered every variable". Scientists where absolutely certain they were on the right line for 30 years to develop new anti-virals for example. And then they found out from a scientist that said " I think you are wrong" that they were wrong. Hyperboles actually make one look foolish when you then have to explain that your " it's just an expression comment" needs to be explained as just an expression, rather than a matter of fact. For example on forums for a player to post no one cares to a response on a thread, said player instantly looks foolish because the person they are responding to obviously cared enough to make the prior statement. Thus proving someone does care and subsequently that the person trying to belittle the prior person is actually incorrect immediately. When one starts with an incorrect statement it is unlikely that anything they say from that moment onwards will be taken seriously.
Hyperboles are a literary device... They give a statement emphasis. Of course no one cares is an ineffective statement if taken literally, the point is to emphasise that what is being said is useless and no one would really care. You aren't going to say 'I care slightly because I decided to post, but this thread is still useless and no one else should care about it.' It's ineffective, inefficient, lacks emphasis and makes you look slightly strange, talking so literally.
Understood anarchy. But for thread purposes positing no one cares is even more useless than saying only very few may care. For two reasons. The useless thread was noticeable enough and warranted a response. This the person posting " no one cares" not only looks foolish for posting an incorrect statement. But they actually cared enough to post. Whether they agree or not is irrelevant. The thread warranted a response, thus proving it has some the ability to make someone care in a manner to an extent where they felt the need to post. Secondly. When one does not care. Why would one post? Bumping the thread they don't care about giving it more validity and attention. Sometimes better not to post at all. Speaking of which. I'm off this thread. Breathe a sigh of relief now
How could saying "no one cares" get a point across better than just saying "I don't care?" Saying that no one cares tells me nothing. It's not hyperbole, it's a fiction people use to add credibility to themselves by trying to make their target feel isolated like an outcast of society. It's an insult. Debate should be grounded in fact, scientific or not. If you aren't debating facts, or interpretations of facts, then you're not debating.
So you just called it a hyperbole that is used to emphasize the fact that no one would care. So, is this really a hyperbole? Because you literally just said that saying "no one cares" is a hyperbole of "no one would really care." :shock: I think you're conflating being socially awkward and being incapable of expressing your feelings. When a person says "no one cares," they are demonstrating to the world that they are incapable of expressing their feelings about a topic. It's like a small child who gets upset and starts calling things "stupid" and then begins to cry because they're so frustrated about not being able to express their true feelings. As their vocabulary expands, so does their ability to express themselves. However, some people never move past the adolescent phase and continue to cling to simple phrases, like "no one cares," to express their displeasure.
Thanks cheese! Now when someone whines about the game not being w exactly how they want I can remember to come up with a better response than no one cares. Maybe something like " your input is acknowledged but your ideas and whining are annoying me so I won't listen to you"