Zeth, I don't care where the conversation goes but it needs to loop back to school and religion. Not evolution and the Big Bang Theory. I'm merely redirecting. I like the current direction prior to the one comment. It's interesting to see the different cultures version of this. It seems every culture has a version of starting patriotic mind control at a young age.
Again, if you want religion and "forced" belief all the way out of schools, be sure and boot evolution and the Big Bang to the curb with the rest of the unlucky culprits. I'm just going to minimize my unpopular opinion now, as I respect you too much to flame your thread with it.
Science has proven that milk is better from a mother than from a cow. Religion says that you cannot commit adultery before marriage. What do I do now? I'm hungry and I can't battle a war from 2 fronts!
yah we should like totally keep that religion of science and proofs and evidence and stuff outta schools (giggle) ya know that math stuff sounds like religion too (wink) me and zethy here think if we cant force our god on kids then all that sciencey thinky type stuff should be kept out too (giggle)
They have this thing called emojis. Download it maybe? Also, religion should not be taught in schools. Just like physics isn't taught until high school ( also optional), where children have a decent understanding of their own beliefs and aren't young enough to be brainwashed or pushed into an ideology.
Willy, I appreciate the distinction you made between teaching religion as a course, and the practice of religion in schools. Many people have difficulty with the distinction. I agree that courses on religions should be available, such as comparative religion studies, where students could learn all about the tenants of the many different religions, while excluding the enforced practice of religion in schools, such as school prayer or teaching the bible as history or biology.
Is this what stupid looks like? Evolution and the Big Bang are Theories. Note that word there, we'll be going back to it. There is also the "theory" that God created the earth in 6 Days. Another theory. There is also the theory that a magic unicorn farted the universe. So, through this magical event, which gave birth to our meaningless, causeless, useless existence, (yours too), we were given an Earth that is the perfect size, perfect temperature, and has a perfect Eco system, as well as a moon that is the perfect size, and a sun that is the perfect distance away from us. Also, a Cow that tastes perfect with some mashed potatoes. All by chance. Nobody knows what happened before the "Big Bang", nobody can really explain why it happened, besides a load of theoretical, guesstimation. Hell, I believe it is entirely possible that God made the Big Bang happen, but please, jump on my religion. You don't like me talking about mine, so you jump on it and force yours down my throat. Now, Evolution is taught in schools as being the be all and end all, despite it being a THEORY, like God causing the Big Bang, or the Unicorn Farting. If you want everything to be equal, and to avoid shoving THEORIES down children's throats, remove them all, or, novel concept, teach EVERY theory, as being equal. Explain that some people believe that the universe just came to be, or that God created it, or that the unicorn farted it, or that Allah decided it was fitting to make a world for his child wives. Explain things as equal, instead of raising Darwinism above Christianity, Unicorn Fartism, Islam, Buddism, Aethism, etc. etc. Instead of removing all theories and teaching the children nothing at all, explain everything, together. This gives them insight into other religions, cultures, and gives them an UNBIASED view on it, instead of elevating one above the other. As for the pledge of allegiance, here's an idea, leave it the way the founding fathers intended it to be. If some children do not want to say the God part, then clearly explain to them that they don't have to. However, removing the pledge entirely teaches them no loyalty to their country, and gives them no passion for what people have fought so hard for for many years now.
I just assumed he meant in k-6 based schools. That's when the pledge was required and such. Now for schools in general? Make it a course for high school. An optional ethics credit, that I do agree with.
The Bible should be in history. Kids should at least know what it is, it's a very important part of history, and a very big one. But this stuff isn't even taught to kids at a young and impressionable age. History where the Bible would be relevant only becomes commonplace around 6-7th grade. Of course, I live in a place where children have their own opinions, instead of licking up whatever evolutionist crap their teacher spoon feeds them. Not sure how it works in the rest of the world. Oh wait, I do.
I agree %100 Percent. I entirely agree that children should learn about all religions. We live in a diverse country where all opinions are accepted and respected, and they should be able to draw their own conclusions. Optional is also good. Perhaps the parents disagree, or the child disagrees.
I find that alot of this country's policies and rights were based off religious beliefs, so it makes sense for religion to be a part of education and our tradition, I wouldn't consider passing on tradition as brainwashing or anything of the sort. As children we absorb whats around us and it helps us become who we are. Being born into a specific society isn't brainwashing though, its just luck of the draw In simpler terms. Edit: my ignorance is showing, im referring to America by "this". However most countries also have policies based on their own beliefs and religious idealogies.
If you actually read the entire bible objectively, you would notice how hypocritical its own teachings were and if it were published as fiction, would be the worst book mankind has ever written in the terms of character and plot development. Not to mention its flip-flop attitude. No offense to be taken here but I did not enjoy reading the entirety of the bible, nor will I ever do it again.
I have read a quite a lot of the bible, and I'm sure that you see some things differently than me. Also, I read the Tom Cruise's Autobiography. Scientologists have a terrible God...
Scientology is crazy. Not scientologists but the idea itself is Darwin extremist :lol: and yes, we will always perceive things differently. I don't have your mind, so I can't see what you do in the Bible. I can only understand what it means to you, and I don't mean to offend you in any way.
As I said before I was so ignorantly interrupted, I appreciate drawing the distinction between teaching religious studies, and the practice of religion in schools, such as teaching the bible as historical accuracy or as science. Some people do not understand the distinction. One thing that should be taught, is the difference between science and religion, and the difference between history and myth, as this is obviously so desperately needed, even for people who should be of an age that they would know better. Of course, if we excluded the practice of religion from schools, we probably wouldn't have such problems. Imagine a country where students grew up recognizing and appreciating science as taught in schools, and practicing, or not practicing, religion or faith as taught by their parents or religious leaders in their place of worship.
Theories and history should be taught in school, sorry if I misinterpreted that to anyone. ZETH, and his errant flamification is misconstruing the point I was making. Teaching and practicing are two slightly different things. "The Bible is a historical book documenting Christianity." or "The Quran is the central religious text of Islam." You can teach what religion is without filling a students head with preference. That's eventually their choice. Just not until they are old enough to decide for themselves. Not preaching and forcing that ideal.
Not being picky mate, but you just classed the bible as a factual book and the Quran as possibly false and possibly factual. I have a book where a man flies around and has a fairy type pet that can change into any weapon he wishes, where does that fit in? No religious books can be classified as fact. (I want to find a unicorn fartism book!!!)
As do I. To echo Willy, yes Practicing and Teaching are very different. And to echo everybody else in this thread Thus far, Religion has a place in School, safely defused in a Religion History Class, where you learn about Jesus Christ's time on earth, and about Mohammed and His Magic Unicorn Pegasus, without practicing those religions.
Just as an interesting aside, many scientists are now coming to the conclusion that there must be a God. I won't use this platform to push who I think he is, and the people in the link below don't either. That being said, if you have 17 min to play with, and you enjoy science, click on this link. Pay attention though, it moves fast and the information is not spoon fed. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM
Well something bad to create us. That is literally what a God is lol. The debate form this issue can only stem from whether it is actually the god from religious texts or just the creator of our universe. Hell we could just be some person's science experiment because there is a theory that we too could create our own Big Bang inside of a little flask that too creates a universe. I've known about idealism for some time and the idea of a conscious, physical reality, is quite scary.