I would say more prideful as Americans, yes. But as we have more resources to learn about things more people are becoming less patriotic, which isn't an inherently bad thing. I don't believe we have become any less moral. There's always been cursing and violence and hate. The people who think we have become less moral are people who get their values from religion. Sex isn't as taboo anymore, from a religious standpoint that's a bad thing. To everyone else it's not.
Lutheran docrine promotes "sola gratia" what does this mean? Sola gratia is simply acknowledging that the Bible teaches that the totality of our salvation is a gift of grace from God. As it says in Ephesians 2:8-9, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” It is the acknowledgement that salvation from the wrath of God is based on God’s grace and mercy and not on anything good in us. One reason so many want to reject this important doctrine is that they do not want to accept what the Bible clearly teaches about the basic condition of human nature since the fall of Adam. The Bible says that our hearts are “deceitful” and “desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9, NKJV) and that “there is none righteous, no not one; there is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God" (Romans 3:10-11). Rather than acknowledge our total helplessness and hopelessness apart from the grace of God, most people want to believe that they have a role to play in their salvation. Western culture is so saturated with the idea that we are “masters of our own destiny” and “captains of our souls” that the idea we are without any hope apart from—and based solely on—the grace of God is foreign to our way of thinking. Im not picking a fight or throwing rocks. Just clarifying the Lutheran stance on stuff.
Lol you want to talk about what bad democracy did? It's nothing compared what nation socialism did in WW2. Sorry we haven't even come close to that and won't. Indians got their casinos out of the deal. Slavery was dealt with. Did you know a slave? I didn't and neither did my ancestors. So why is this American generation being blamed for those events.......still? Oh yeah people like you have nothing else in their pocket to bash the USA about so you pull the race card. Obama is not the potus that has the highest deportation in history.....that'll be Eisenhower. He swept the country , deported and closed the borders. Why would Obama deport potential votes for the democrats? He wouldn't. Dems rely on the nanny states giving them their voting rights. What has the nation socialists done for the Jews since the holacost ? ( or however you spell it). Sell them vw and Mercedes. Don't come on this thread with an opinion about religion when you are a follower of godless nation socialism. Which you gotta believe that there is an heaven or hell cause you know Adolph not sitting in purgatory waiting for the ticket to the pearl gates. Fox News They report. You decide Cnn news........cries....because the truth hurts[/quote] Since you still don't know anything about the world you should use google. Obama does have the highest deportation rate of any pres. And you don't know the that Muslims are part of island by you're post earlier. Indians geting casinos doesn't make up for what they did. We fooled the Indians into every deal they made with us, they can't use the resources on their reservations and sell it like coal, lots of Indian reservations have coal rich land. Which is still ******* them over to day but hey cause some Indians have casinos I guess it's ok. Use ******* google because you don't know about the world around you. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol ... s/7340419/ http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... portations Cause **** facts right? You refuse to come up with a argument. All you do is insult what I believe. It's quite pathetic
So by the teachings of ones sins you would have to believe in sin to understand the tribulations and journey the sinner had to become faithful to gods gift. Every religion believes in sin. You don't have to be Catholic to atone for your sins. Atheism isn't a religion but they do have faith in something. They do believe in morals and or have morals. Morals do come from somewhere of religious teachings, " do unto others as they do unto you". Basically treat others as you would like to be treated stems from faith and religion. Can't believe in morals if you don't believe in your own opinion on subject matter. Is it wrong to say pledge of allegiance in schools just because God is mentioned? No Just like it isn't wrong that a Muslim is allowed to pray during designated times during school. It's ok for them to have argued for that right but born Americans had to stop their practices that started the school day. We got shafted. I personally want my children to recite the pledge of allegiance. I want me children to know that this nation was founded by God fearing people and infused those beliefs as part of the process that made this country what it was and what it still should be. The radical liberals got bored and needed more agendas to argue so out with American traditions. Where does it stop? I guess when someone says NO I will not take down the pow/Mia flag. Nothing is sacred anymore here and it's sad.
I think it's safer to say that religion adopted "do unto others as you would want done to you" than religion invented it.
Chicken or the egg. I do don't think your claim can be substantially validated. (I'd say the same for the other side too)
Sansea Obama numbers are padded thanks to liberal media http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... tatistics/
No, it can't be validated. To say there wasn't any moral code until some hippie came along and made one up is pretty absurd. There are things that are naturally bad, hurting or stealing for example. That's putting your survival at risk. The only morals religion brought are ones like sex is bad.
>washingtonpost the least biased source in all of history. In a post above you still imply this country was founded on Christians believes it's not. Morals are rather easy to understand do you want to be killed no? Cool cause no one wants to be killed. And death is usually painful and hurti others is deemed inmoral.
no-one believes in morals, they are a feeling. Religion took morals and changed them into rules. As pointed out before. A society without morals cannot function and will collaps, hence you dont see any. Hunters and gatherers had morals way before any major religion came along. yes, because it is basicly forced onto you. Change god into Luke Skywalker or something...
I went to college with the goal of getting my doctorate in theology. I was going to be a pastor. However, it was an 8 year program and I washed out after year 2 because I couldn't handle the foreign language courses. (Lutheran pastors in the Misouri synod and Wisconsin synod need to be fluent in Greek, Hebrew, Latin and German). I can do German and Latin, but Greek and Hebrew are too much for me, so I left and did other things, but I still like to keep up on my old studies as best as I can.
I believe that I would rather not believe something that someone else wrote and instead not care about what happens after I cease to be classified as living. The truth is, I just don't care. I respect all religions and their beliefs; however, they just don't appeal to me. When I die, I will decay. My nutrients will go into the soil, and I will become a fertiliser for plants. I will impact the start of new lives, plant lives, which may some day provide food to others, and the only reason why that plant could grow so much is because I had decided to give myself up, and allow myself to be used even after I die in a way that will still be helping people survive, even when all memory of me is gone. I, of course, will not have a coffin, I believe coffins are a waste of time because, seriously, what's the point? You're just wasting materials that no one will ever use. We have a limited source of resources, why just throw them away? Religion is something that everyone must find for themselves, not be forced to believe in. I wish that one day, we could all just not care about what religion someone is and not immediately think of stereotypes. The school system could help with that by teaching about religion and teaching people to learn things for themselves. Sadly, I know that that would still not be enough, and it hurts knowing that no matter how hard we try, we will never unite until it may be too late. I wish for a world where people teach things not for money, but just to make humanity more and more advanced. Every person has the opportunity to make great leaps in technology if they are given the right education, but no. We will never be able to do that. We are programmed to have unique traits, such as Greed and are always trying to out do each other, which in the end, is slowly ruining us. Our entire species ruined just because we couldn't help each other, and instead fought ourselves instead. We could have been a great civilisation, and making advances in technology so quickly that other 'alien' civilisations could only dream of. Yet, we will never be able to do that, as we will never unite under one, and only one flag, humanity. A flag that could've been feared throughout the galaxy as a race that would stop at nothing to figure out a solution to every problem. Yet, no. We will never be able to do this if we cannot set aside our differences and unite. Schools could start to make the difference. Creating a generation that does not fear another just because they believe in other things. A generation that will instead respect every one's opinion, and does not discriminate one for choosing for themselves. All we need is for schools to teach things, such as respect for others, and for schools to not force any ideas of religion onto children, but allow children to choose for themselves. Parents need to stop trying to make their children like them. They need to learn that every decision is their own, and no matter what they choose, they will never have the fear of being wrong, and will never believe that what they think about the world is being criticised. Only then, will we be able to believe in each other, and trust everyone. Oh, and get rid of biased, half-truth news stations. That's also halting us from becoming one. The best world that we could think to create, is a literate one. We have all of the materials to create one, yet we don't, and we will never be as productive as we could be if we don't. Sadly, this is just something that I wish to come true, yet sadly won't. Our species could change our paths and become amazing, or stay on this path and ruin ourselves, and if we don't change our path soon, there will be no turning back. What was the topic again?
Back to the point and my other post... Governments should not be in control of whether or not religion should be taught. Let all the schools be privatized and the parents decide which school to send their kids to. You guys are getting so far off topic it only helps this thought that it's some kind of thing to be enforced by governments. Give the freedom back to people.
Just a quickie, anyone who thinks American law is based on the 10 commandments needs to research Roy Moore, the 10 commandments judge. Also it should be noted that the founding fathers were not devout Christians. On the subject of the 10 commandments being the basis for our current moral code. The Ten Commandments are a general basis of behaviours that is acceptable in most societies, there were laws in many, MANY civilisations before Moses's parents, grandparents were born. To say that it's the basis of all morals and laws is absolutely ridiculous.
But Moses is just some dude in a book that a bunch of old guys who slept and dreamed all the time envisioned a long time ago.
Actually no, the existance of Moses and Jesus isn't really refutable, there is a lot of evidence pointing to them being real people. Their abilities however, are unprovable.
Actually, that is not quite correct. There is no irrefutable proof of the historical existence of either of them. The "proofs" usually cited for each of them were all written or edited in after the alleged facts, and by interested parties. So although arguments can be made for their respective historical existences, the only thing that is certain, is that there is no certainty. That said, history classes and religious studies classes should be separate.
The only evidence of Moses is in the bible. The only evidence of Jesus is in the bible. The worship and followings of the two exist but there is no written trace of the two durning their life times that prove their existence. There is also no physical proof. There is after the fact temples and landmarks to Jesus. But those were set up a few hundred years after the death of Christ. The entire thought that there is historical evidence of Christ is a misnomer. The same with Moses. And here is the issue. Yes, the Romans were bad about erasing some of their enemies history, but Jesus didn't thing to really see that wrath. Rome was accepting of their captured slaves and territory's religion. They allowed open practice of it, even though the Roman renditions of the Greek Gods was the main religion for much of their history. It wasn't until Constantine switched over to catholicism/Christianity that the entire religious spectrum of Rome changed. Durning and after him Rome destroyed many of their old temples that was dedicated to Gods such and Pluto and Neptune. They also became more aggressive about forcing the Catholic Church onto its people, being much less accepting of outside faith. I would argue that this was what finally killed Rome from the inside out. It was when they became less religiously acceptable to their people's beliefs that more riots and rebellions occurred until the Roman Empire crumbled to their own feet. With that, is why, I believe that schools should not teach religion.