Gh would still lower cs for matching bigs that can't be hit ,hansels still good for assassinating ,all builds would work the same ,actually once u allow for more even "plunder" (or points) u open roster to a better mix as it stands right now gh are not brought in to be plunder machines hansels aren't used or very sparingly used in any larger clans and hybrids well they are hybrids multi-use builds even in ur own roster it was 12 att 7 gh 1 ps where is the mix? If u lumped 25 att builds together the cs would be so high u could only match huge mixed clans and u would lose
Please notice the op is 23mil cs. While his theory of war rosters is correct he is comparing apples and oranges to an extent. In mid-evil times one country attacked another country. There was no pre-announcement that war was taking place. You did not have X-amount of time to recruit and stack your roster prior to the war. You fought with what you had. There was no entity that said we are going to war at this time and sign up so you can be fairly matched. Just didn't work like that. England never told France at 4pm on Monday march 3rd we are attacking be ready. Now where EE is concerned roster stacking is an issue due to roster stacking. Roster stacking Huge attack with small hansel builds messes with the system by bringing the Strength of clan down when averaged. This creates a favorable match up for the clan. This stacking of 3-4 ppl of 23m with 7-8 5m< making the system believe team over all median strength is 9.45m. While a team of 11 Ranging from 2m-16m has same median strength. System sees this as a good match up. We know how this process works. Team B who has the biggest member at 16m can't make plunder on the top player. So he will try to plunder the biggest of the small hansel. He may make 45mil a hit. While same time top member of Team A hit top player of Team B for 85mil. Almost double per action. Once team B members are KO. Team A can just sit on team B unless Random KO. Team B will Xstal to try and gain ground. Team A will make more plunder and Sko. Then Team A hansels will Xstal and make mass plunder from KOs. You can not compare mid-evil times to EE. It's not remotely close to similar in nature anyway. Your trying to compare a English invade France type war to a there is a war at said time sign up and await match up for opponent. No one said hey England, France, Spain, Scotland ,Ireland, Switzerland there is a war in 4 hours sign up to fight and we will match you up using a system to ensure fair match ups are made While I enjoyed your post and found it to go in depth and the thought you put into it fantastic. I find the comparison to be flawed just like the ER match up system. Also the fact your posting from a 23mil cs I find your point if view to be bias as the complaints don't affect. You know the flaw exists. You may or may not exploit it. I don't know so I won't say you do. I'm just dumb founded how you try to justify nothing is wrong with EE match ups. You are obviously an intelligent person. Maybe you are bias due to your build and size and it don't affect the top 10% of KAW because the exploit keeps you from facing one another.
@ Knight Believe me, we use quite a bit of strategy to win. Whether it appears that way or not. It's easy to say otherwise when you're not there or involved. @ Station Our roster construction varies some from war to war. As I indicated, in that last war we were more top heavy with atk builds than we would normally like to see. There is more variety usually but the basics are the same. You also then get back to the question of what do you define as a "mid-sized" build? In that war we did have a lot of atk builds but not all of them were really large. Those smaller size folks help make it work. Also, GH may not be brought into your clan to be plunder machines but they are in ours. Not always but you'll see in our history a lot of GH plundering in the top half of our war results.
Kaw_admin its just chitchatting. Its not impossible to adjust plunder/hit range in war without affecting the mechanics outside the war. Since the beginning of system wars the fight mechanics inside war had no effect outside wars. Just remember how there was no dtw mechanics in system wars since the beginning. They can set wars without hit restrictions as we speak. They could put war taxes in place to adjust plunder gap.
In ur size wars matching much smaller cs clans yes gh can plunder added bonus at ur size of stacking bit doesn't change the fact that's not wat they are brought in for We had a war last week with 4/5 gh in war none plus our hansel scored any plunder and we still won that war by a huge margin ... Something is wrong when half ur roster doesn't need to be successful to win a war no?
@ wizened But.....that's my point. In medieval times if you wanted to win a war you had to build an army with all the necessary parts. If you didn't, then you lost the war. So here we have a system where England, France, Spain, etc are all told that you will get to war on Monday at 7pm PST if you want. Now.....go build your army, you have lots of notice. The whole point of my post was to prompt folks to put in the effort necessary to build a good roster. Your example is exactly what I'm saying and I wrote my post to "Team B" as you call them. Instead of making a roster out of a bunch of mismatched foot soldiers, build a better roster. I've seen post after post in forums about how people got a "bad matchup" becasue they built a crap roster and got their butts kicked. That's not a "bad matchup" that's a bad decision by the clan and shows a lack of effort at recruiting and planning. I'm not an advocate of the LB/GH setup and as I've said before, I think we'll see less of that with 25 man rosters so folks should stop complaining about the roster size. I am, however, advocating the people work harder and build better rosters overall. That will improve EE for all of us. And yes, a "good" roster will usually have a group of GH, lots of atk builds of varying size, some hansels and pure spies. It won't just be 11, 15, or 25 middling to large atk builds. Try harder.
@ Station I agree something is wrong with a war that has that result.....but what is wrong is not the system. I would argue that what is wrong is the roster the other team put together to face you. They obviously didn't plan well if you only needed 1/2 of your team to win. Sounds like you guys had a good set up. Props. That's exactly what you want to see. Now the key is to try to get the other clans to work as hard as you do and put together a good roster as well. Then you'd have a much more even and hard fought war.
No Thanatos in any kind of war, antic, medieval, modern wars they took everything they could. Every available warrior. Wasn't like: ok... tomorrow will fight the frenchs at Crecy. For this war we need 2000 cavalry, 10.000 pikemen and 1000 archers. OK apparently we have 200 extra cavalry,11.000pikemen... we send them back to England.
well yeah, duh. I'm not saying the real world is like KaW, I'm saying that EE is the part of KaW that most resembles the real world. Obviously it's not exact. But what's your point? Are you saying since England was willing to take those extra 200 cavalry that you should not build a good roster in EE wars?
Again it's just high attack and small hansel. There is no where for the 60% of kaw that fall in the 8-16mil range. So what happens. You end up with this 60% being left out because of exploit. This 60% want to war so they end up in a clan together. Then guess what that exploit clan build get the match up because no one wants the mid build because they get a bad match. So mid build have 2 choices. War as a group and get stomped on by this roster exploits or don't war. It's like segregation ride in the back of the bus or walk. So you have to drop your build and ride coat tails. Or don't war. To the hansels who brag about you EE lvl 80% of you stink. Those top players don't think your a great warrior. Your like prostitutes of KAW. Get EE reward is you payment for being used. Any small hansel will do for these clans. You don't need war xp just small CS.
You started to compare ee wars with medial wars to justify this big failure. Where is the similarity? In a real war you agree with the other side to go to fight with 5578men?
Well, it was great talking with you all but this is getting off track clearly. We have mid-sized builds, we use them, and they work great. You just can't build a whole roster out of them. Work hard folks and I hope to see you all in Season 3 with awesome rosters that kick my clan's butt (just not too often please). I'm not gonna bother anymore with the analogy and arguing it. That wasn't the point of the thread. Thanks all for posting your opinions. I loved the discussion and we'll do it again sometime. Mods/Kaw, please lock the thread. /lock
Thanks man, way to insult a lot of people. Classy. In the one war that I've been in, we had a lot of strategy, several of those mid lvl people you mentioned, and I was able to plunder 9th in a 20 man war. I had crap BFE and terrible BFA, but was the right fit for the roster and the war commanders used me properly. I wasnt just a way to lower CS, I was expected to pull my weight, and I did. The OP is saying that there is a way to use all levels if you're smart, you prepare a good roster, and more importantly you make a game plan. If you are looking for a war clan, you find a war clan with all mid lvl people, you know that a war clan with all mid lvl people is probably going to lose, you stay in the war clan rather than networking and putting together a good roster, you lose the war, DONT CRY ABOUT IT, BE SMARTER. We have found a way to use mid lvl people, which means you can too.
You are one of those insulted ppl probably because its true. Anyone ever notice that it's the 22mil and the 4m< hansels that see nothing wrong.
No you haven't you are using majority GH and low end bigs with (maybe 1 or 2 mid) to get favourable match vs. true mid range players.
Op, that was a lot of effort to support a broken system. Middle Ages was ass busted, so it's logical that KaWs war system should be stuffed as well. Dear oh dear. I'm sure the devs get great enjoyment out of shafting their customers. But I'm sure they have an extra giggle out of the sycophants that pretend to enjoy getting bent over the log. It's a shame, because if there was a united front against mediocrity, this game would actually get better. Oh well, let the lemmings and cheats prevail.
I have got to say this is by far the most positive interaction I have had with any dev. I appreciate your actual communication with the community. I agree you need to listen to both paying and non paying customers. But the bottom line is there are people getting an advantage by not investing time and money (real and fake) into their builds. I feel as though those bringing more to the war should get more out of it. It is nearly impossible for someone mid sized to war. That is not directly the developers fault it is the way players adapted to a flaw in the system. The only immediate solution for the large pool of players who would like to war is to drop.