Yes, and gold is scaled per action, so this is mostly balanced, but scouting in general pays rather decently for active spies.
Corinithian, the problem with these assiantion and scouting is that you cannot see the monetary value of it instantly. Indeed, the spies might get nothing at all if the mission is not completed. As a result of this "blindness" you also get attack builds complaining about the scouting saying "their troops are full" so they want to avoid the spy-centered missions like scouting for stone giants that takes forever.
You don't have to do the scouting missions. I merely meantioned it because it's a great mission for a pure spy clan since you only get gold at the end, making defense pots unnesscessary(which saves more money). Spies should just do the mixed missions or even the attack missions and they will make great money same as any mission. If your clan is not completing missions, then they need to do easier missions, simple as that.
Corinthian said: Yes, and gold is scaled per action, so this is mostly balanced, but scouting in general pays rather decently for active spies. Pays decently for acitive spies? Are you kidding? Cornithian, in my clan's last pwar my osf took 2/3 the plunder and made 210 Billion. Tell me the pve that pays spies 210B over two days and I'll gladly do it.
Philospher, if you want pwar tax levels, get used to not making it, as that amount of income is not intended for any build, and is part of the reasons pwars need to be removed. If you can't accept that, have fun convincing your hitters to constantly pwar and make less money(and less as we go farther in) so a single/few amount of member can make broken amounts of money.
Corinthian said: You don't have to do the scouting missions. you are missing the point! I WANT to do the scouting missions. However the hitters hate them. If I can't make my clan do a spy-centered mission there is no hope for the spies.
Philospher, you are missing the point...spies make consistant income whatever the mission if they have the same activity per mission in any given series. Hence why I said you don't have to do the scouting mission. If you want to do that mission or missions that spies can always do actions, then get a clan together for that. You've said there's too many spies in the game, so rustle them up into a clan and do what you want.
If the pwars are eliminated there will be another problem to deal with. You see many players like myself already have a huge osf they can hit anytime without paying war tax. However if pwars are gone it will be very hard for anyone to grow a HLBC spy anymore. But the ones who already have them will have a huge advantage over those who dont. It will become impossible for a newcomer to crack the lb top 500 I believe. A big player can always hit his spy alt or volley money over leaving other players in the dust.
Please don't mistake in believe I like pwar better. I just expect that a lot of the big clan owners will give up on pve if they haven't already. Better money overall to be made in pwar for them.
If the pwars are eliminated there will be another problem to deal with. You see many players like myself already have a huge osf they can hit anytime without paying war tax. However if pwars are gone it will be very hard for anyone to grow a HLBC spy anymore. But the ones who already have them will have a huge advantage over those who dont. It will become impossible for a newcomer to crack the lb top 500 I believe. A big player can always hit his spy alt or volley money over leaving other players in the dust.[/quote] 1. PvE is compared to hitting a large OSF , so this doesn't matter. 2. Ones who can hit OSFs out of war will make comparable income to 1, making it balanced for the time being..except PvE makes you not require this. 3. See 1-2, and also know that it's been possible to break top500 in the past pre-open pwars and will be after. 4. Yes, spies will 'grow' slower than before with broken pwar tax, and so OSFs will want to do pwars, but overall clans make more income with PvE, and pwars will mechanically be removed later on, so they are just going to have to get used to better than pre-pwars income.
Remember also that it is human nature to try to get the most for the least amount of work possible. If pwar eliminated it will be replaced with something else. Anyone for high-end volleying? Expect ally prices to become even more ridiculous than they are now.
Ally trading for money has been dormant for a while, but yes, it's a rather high income method for those in the know. However, this still takes some skill/time/effort, and isn't broken, so have fun with it. Also, yes, ally prices always start jumping in price when more people start BC-ing in the community, so this is expected.
Why do pwars HAVE to be removed? Because some people like whining about it in the forums? If they don't want to do pwars no one is forcing them. go out and hit off the battle board.
Why? Because it makes spies broken amounts of income. It has killed the war system. It has been choking PvP due to the above thanks to the UPDATE and Active Wars tab features.
Hansels have it great on the easier missions where low attack power can still win against the monster with no attack pots, and then assassinate loads, getting plunder at the end.
Personally I think ally volleying is much more boring than pwar. I guess it will be the new standard after the devs give in to the ati-pwar whiners on the forums.
xGx. I don't have a hansel so I'm not sure but I had a few of them complaining when we did no quarter and they could get no hits through.
For maybe 3mil less (2.5mil+500k atk pots) per attack action (remember you are getting gold on hit and at end), you can do the higher end missions as a hansel and still do the spy actions as well, for higher income overall.