Being in the UK we get to vote to elect 73 mep's we get to vote for the representatives in our areas. Unfortunately there are 751 mep's. Obviously they do not all represent British or any nations particular interests. Voting practice changes nationally across the states. As such saying "voting for someone that represents us" is far easier said than done. Essentially every state is represented by mep's they did not elect. And every state has a reduced over all say. While this should make a European Parliament more suitable to governing a wider area, outlying States are often misrepresented. Of course this seems like the single biggest reason to leave. But again it comes down to collapse the economy to get out. Or accept the devil we know. Yet more reason the nation should have been better prepared for this referendum
Well its official, just the panic that the referendum has caused alone has pushed us back into recession. Voting out destroys our economy. Blame our inept government for not preparing the nation for this. And God help our nation when the real panic starts if we actually vote out. And the strongest argument to leave now comes out that the 300,000 migrants we have accepted at actually be closer to 1,200,000 Yet more bs from a corrupt government that doesn't have the best interest of its people at heart. Ps the vote leave and stay in England is 50/50 according to every poll so far. In Scotland they are 3/4 in favour of staying in thus meaning the scots vote will sway the decision. Ironic when they wanted independence not so long ago. But moot. Again courtesy of the government we are torn between allowing our nation to be over run, or economically destroyed. Gotta love that choice. Nice one Cameron thanks for the options.
Scots vote is like 6million people, or 10% of the population, that won't swing it that much I don't think. This is interesting, as long as you can read it lol http://www.economistsforbrexit.co.uk
The problem is that all the forecasts aren't taking into account the weakness of the southern eu countries, or the eu WITHOUT the uk being in it.
On a more serious note; I think the UK would probably suffer economically in the short term, may not benefit economically in the long term and will probably hold less political sway globally. Politicians are trying to win cheap votes by trumpeting hot short term topics like immigration without giving too much publicity to the long term implications.
And the possible implications of staying? Never mind the migrants, the EU doesn't work to improve our economy, it works for the euro. We trade just fine with outside the EU.
Rio you are forgetting proportional representation. And interesting reading But speculation at best. The facts are, manufacturing is falling Foreign investors are delaying committing resources. We are already in recession with a shrinking economy. And that's just because of the risk of a referendum. All the wishful thinking in the world won't change those facts. Or the decline in investment in the UK if we vote out. Their wont be Growth until we reclaim what we lose. We needed tighter immigration controls and we didn't get them. The world trade agreement carries a tariff 5% higher than current trade agreements. Increased prices on exports won't encourage sales of UK goods. If just the prospect of a referendum can cause this much damage just think what voting out will do. The Bank of England review is probably the most accurate. Now add that any trade agreement with France, Germany and Poland to name a few relies on our borders staying open. The closed border benefits are a pipe dream without accepting huge financial losses. So the real issue is this. How much as a nation. How many jobs and how much loss of trade. And how much inflation Are we prepared to accept to leave the EU. What people should be campaigning for is a better out strategy and a vote in 5-10 years. We aren't ready now. Whatever happens though in this vote. In or out. Things will only get worse. Migration will get worse especially if Turkey and other states join the EU. Or we collapse our economy and gain independence at the expense of a generation or two as we slowly rebuild and become self sustaining. A stronger government should have just been able to demand a better migration agreement and avoid this entire mess.
I thought that at the beginning, he should have walked in there and said 'these are our demands, if you want continued UK membership then you have to meet them' But no, our governments are too entangled in the big corporations, their friends won't like it so they won't push for it. I see what you're saying my friend, but the ONLY facts we have is that RIGHT NOW investment has fallen etc. No one can predict what will happen if we left, just like I can't predict if/when the EU project will fail.
What does proportional representation have to do with it? Referendums are a straight vote, yes or no, in or out, it's not electing MPs
Being inside the EU has, historically, brought investment to the UK. International manufacturers base their European operations in the UK so that they can access the European market without paying the import duties they would if supplying goods from outside the EU. Take Nissan as an example. At the moment the Uk benefits from this foreign investment which would be lost if we left. There would be no advantage to Nissan and they would probably look to relocate to a country which was still in the EU. Add to that that if the UK left, while in time they might be able to trade more easily with the rest of the world, trade with Europe would become instantly harder. I can't see and upside in the short term and the long term is uncertain.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/669 ... tes-Brexit May not be the most reliable source newspaper... But it inspires patriotism and national pride. @bubblez, you don't KNOW that investment wouldn't have come anyway, that's the problem with economic modelling, you just don't know. Take the IMF for example, wrong about Greece, wrong about the euro, didn't see the 208 recession coming. At the end of the day, economics shouldn't be involved in this, our economy WOULD survive one way or another. This is about being tied to a union that doesn't work for us, our lonely little island is never their priority, their priority is "ever closer union", that is something that the British have NEVER wanted.
Stay in the EU, the number of things that I've seen with "Funded by the EU commission" is insane. Busses, trains, council buildings, buildings in city centre, playing fields, parks, local community centres. Farmers get a lot of help from the EU and farming is one of the few things the UK exports. We really should stay!
A huge reason companies from outside the EU have a base in the UK is because it enables them to supply the EU market from within the EU tax walls. Now, they could have located to any EU country, they just chose the UK. If the Uk hadn't been within the tax area they would have been out of the running.
Ok, let's be realistic for a moment please. The U.K. Is the 5th largest economy in the world, one of the fastest (if not the fastest) recovering from the 'credit crunch' 2008, it is also home to 12% of the entire EU population. It has the highest median wealth per adult of ANY EU member state (by a 1/4 of the next closest) The trade Deficit between the uk and eu is 23.9b currently, that means we IMPORT hugely more than we export Do you really think it would be sensible for the EU to shut the uk out? At risk of trade deals with China and emerging economies? Not to mention the possibility of a commonwealth trading market. The politicians keep walking around insinuating that we NEED the eu, we do not NEED it (though free trade is usually a good thing). I'm not saying that the eu needs the uk, however if the people of Great Britain vote to leave, it won't be the end of the world, despite the political threats from the French and Americans, trade deals will still be made, people will still spend money and politicians will still lie through their teeth.
I'm gonna vote in but I do hope it is a close referendum because maybe then it might burst the EU and UK bubble and force brussels to be more lenient towards the UK if the politicians can't talk then the people most certainly can.