To: Ellaburg I have never commented on your countries or acted as if I know anything about your countries. So, perhaps you should re-word your statement. I was merely referring to the fact that many outside the U.S. do not realized that we already have many gun control laws. Gun owners are not adverse to common sense laws that would actually reduce violent crime and increase safety. The problem is that 99% of proposed new laws and some of the old ones already in place do not do that. Better use of energy is to close the cracks in the federal background check system. Also, yes it is sad of course when there is any loss of life. However, our country has way bigger fish to fry than legal gun ownership. Hmmmm how about illegal gun ownership? Also, taking more lives than guns....alcohol, cars, and the national obesity problem, which, also affects our national security because a huge portion (half?) of our population cannot even join/function in the military if needed.
This is why we can't have a reasonable discussion. No-one is tying to disarm the entire public. And yes, we can track illegally purchased guns if we had common sense regulations. Background checks discourage criminals from purchasing guns legally from stores and manufacturers. If all guns were registered at the time of purchase (by someone who passed a background check), we would be able to determine from whom the criminals get their guns. If we had responsibility rules, such as we have with cars, people could be held accountable for the weapons that were illegally sold and used. (If guns get stolen, people should file a report, just like with cars - how many times could an illegal gun seller get away with that shtick). If we had mandatory insurance, people would be more responsible with their guns to reduce their rates (just as what was so incredibly effective with the auto industry). These are common sense methods that would allow responsible gun owners to have their guns, and cut down on the illegal transfer and use of guns, by making the legal purchaser (or "front man") accountable, thus making it far more difficult for criminals to get illegal guns. And if the CDC could study gun violence, we may be able to find better ways to protect both lawful gun owners and the general public. This way, legal gun owners would have their guns, and we could reduce illegal gun violence. And just to reiterate (because this is the idiotic knee-jerk straw man argument response), No-one wants to take away everyone's guns.
I was replying to the OP and why "confiscating all guns" is impractical and idiotic, not replying to you or any of your arguments. How many more "responsibility" rules do you want? In many states, to have a gun you have to register it, get fingerprinted, and even undergo a Psyche evaluation. You don't want reasonable restrictions. What sounds reasonable to you is entirely unreasonable to a person who actually owns, respects, and understands the importance of firearms and the second amendment. You want Government intrusion into each and every gun owners lives, thus the insurance, the tracking, etc. As for these things cutting down on the amount of illegal guns, and making them harder to sell, it absolutely will not. You think every illegal gun is first bought legally, and then sold illegally? The overwhelming majority are not. There are guns coming across the border in bundles, there are thousands of criminals with arrays of guns the government knows nothing about. There are dozens of ways to get guns that were manufactured, bought, sold, and used illegally, while the people who have to use their fingerprint to get their handgun to work, in order to defend themselves are left high and dry. Tell me, what is your solution for finding and getting rid of the extremely large amount of illegal firearms? Searches? House to House? Then you have people screaming and yelling about intrusion, discrimination, and all that other jazz.
@TNT Those figures were from my countries news reports , figures that were confirmed by US sources not by Google. I believe any more than 4 deaths within a single incident is classed as a mass shooting in the US...is this correct? If so are you telling me this only happened 4 times this year? Anyway the rest of the world really shouldn't give a rats arse about how many people gets killed and how often it happens in the States
Even if guns we made harder to get by laws. I can literally make 1 phone call to my homie in the hood and get whatever kinda gun i wanted if i got money. Gun laws wont stop ppl in the future because they vant now. Its stupid to think that. U can get AKs, SkS,AR15s anywhere in america u can do this and its easy. Laws dont stop anything. They make a black market for stuff that way. Ppl need to be aware and if u see someone fixin to shoot up a place u better pray another citizen has a gun or that u do. Better to have em and not need them than to need it and not have it. Js my 2 cents
️ exactly. Automatic guns have been illegal for years, yet I can go out and buy one for under $500 from the local black market. The money from those purchases goes toward gang violence. If we ban guns altogether, guess what'll happen to the gun black market? The exact same thing that happened during prohibition. Same thing for abortion. When it was outlawed, women were getting them in illegal underground clinics and even throwing unwanted children in the trash. Laws don't stop criminals. That's why they're criminals.
@kingcalm Actually, studies have shown that compulsory insurance is inversely correlated with safety. The study found that insured drivers tend to drive faster and take greater risks, while uninsured drivers tended to drive slower and more carefully.
The logic of gun control being the answer to gun violence is just as flawed as the argument that supports outlawing drugs. Drug use is going up over time, despite our laws and despite heavy law enforcement efforts to curb it.
To be fair it's not like the USA has had these laws for that long, their country is only 239 years old The local school in my town is 116 years older than that and their traditions/rules keep changing so how hard can it be for the US amirite ppl
@Ella- The definition of a mass shooting is not clearly defined unfortunately. The FBI defines it as 4 deaths. The Obama administration defines it as 3 murders. The information you are using does not need any murders, and includes family incidents and gang violence.
Terrorist incident in California - 14 dead - automatic rifles Terrorist incident in Paris - over 100 dead - automatic rifles Terrorist incident in London - 3 injured - knife The only difference here is the ability to acquire the guns are much harder in the UK due to border controls (France has little to none) and gun controls (USA limited controls means weapons are much more easily available).
The caucasian man that shot up Planned Parenthood on thanksgiving weekend was called a "gentle loner who sometimes abused women and children" in news articles. Seriously Hes an extremist and a terrorist. Why aren't they calling him for what he is? Its crazy even on social media people were supporting this guy saying,"killed a few people oh no but they can kill millions of babies a year." When Planned Parenthood is involved in 3% of abortions in the USA. We just need to start informing people about ALL acts of terrorism. There needs to be an improvement with our police. There needs to be better guarding of schools. Parents need to raise their children better. The hate amongst religion needs to cease. We just need to realize terrorists are born here too. They don't just come here, U.S. born citizens are raising them here as well. Sadly, none of that will happen..or not all of it. Too much media brainwashing the many. The media is does the same thing during Hurricanes. They show the black people looting but they don't ever show the white people who are also looting. All our ways of thinking are governed by media. Taking away our guns is the least of our worries. Terrorists will find a way always. We just need to realize anyone can be one.
@TNT Thanks for that bit of information , if you don't ask the questions you don't get any answers , and please don't take offense with what I'm asking , I'm curious to find out why the gun culture in the US is such a big issue. I myself have owned rifles for 35 years and so have many people I grew up with , we treat them as specialized tool for eradication of feral animals and a way to make additional income from that , in the States they seem almost godlike
You Americans are delusional. Time to join the rest of the civilized world and invoke a simple amount of gun control. If we in Japan can have a productive society without it, you can to. .