@Ops Why do ppl do LL Wars? 1) to war and win with friends 2) gain the millenial participation loser rewards 3) to learn how to war 4) competition 5) to get away from B2B eb events ad nauseum 6) all of the above As for myself i can rarely return to a clan i left for war cuz full of ppl hopping for events. IMO lumping wars into events has only created a huge drag on ppl warring when there is no other option. Back when it was Rancor wars i found it was a carrot dangled that made me focus more on war and build for it. Then along came LL Wars when many cried about Primals being too hard to get accepted. Ppl wanted others to do the work and expected it handed to them. Well Primals were dropped and here we are today where those same ppl are nowhere to be found unless exploiting the loser rewards under the guise that they wanted to war but don't bother trying to win wars. Oh but so many have excuses why wars r not winnable eg need a wc and tracker but don't step up. Pathetic apathy resulted.