Can i ask if tower builds are only dtw to attacks when spies are zeroed or below 20%? Does this mean they can be attacked after their first regeneration of spies? Also i always thought they must be banked to be dtw, but seems like what satan said even with 1T out they are still dtw. Anyone else can confirm this?
I mean if its the first spy regen, i can time it and hit faster than them zeroing spies. Still possible to get a few hits in. If its the third spy regen, how the hell would i be able to time and hit, they could just re-selfpin before their spies go above 20%. And they have a good 14 mins 59 seconds to do that.
Given the falling participation which leads to worse matchups, it might be amusing to jettison the 'strength' algorithm and just match tower clan against tower clan. Maybe Taka against -devast4tion- ? We might learn a few more 'strategies' that way.
@ metallic - it's under 20% spies, so players war with them 0 some just under so they can use them. @gis- we are not a "tower" clan and we beat devastation , it can be done
Matchups areNt the issue so much. We all know its a 50/50 gamble going into sign up and one day our time will come. Tips. Don't ever war with minimum members. If needs be merge to a larger clan running more teams. Less chance of being outnumbered. WE can change that factor of wars to an extent. But double edge knife. So just roll the dice and make the most of it. Give players more incentive. Actual double mith at ff and just more to start with because At the mo it is not enough four hours plus prep work for 30 MIT profit. 3 Ugs on helmet. Oh yeah I'll smile ;( I war for buzz. Love it. And devs ko scores in normal play for pinning players. Helps us practice. It would be a laugh on profile page. And no outside of ee it should not knock them out of kaw for 15 minutes as I know many would use to force players to quit not chase pvp for a laugh please consider.
@metallic. Actually spies need to be 0 in EE war. Mechanics are all same except dtw level is now 0 instead of 20%. You can time and hit a tower build. @giskard. We all know you are angling to say look at so few clans at war this week compared to last week and it must be the tower builds but give me a break. Last week was double mith and vacation week for many. This week payout is weak and most are back at work. I did 4 wars last week; this week 1. Devs go ahead and nerf the tower build. It's too strong for weak minded people to defeat in war. I would love to have my money refunded because I would have gone to hansel build because that is the strongest war build. I know, however, that this is about as likely as tower haters coming around and actually starting to fire up some neurons so I have a backup plan too.
@valor. Your argument just gets worse and worse. No offense meant but to assume that someone can just "time their regen" is completely absurd. It's a 4 hour war. For your argument to be valid one would have to assume that the tower build is not very active. Easy to pop on 1 time every 15 minutes and zero out your spies again. And while yes they can be assassinated, I feel that argument is even more absurd than the other one. You have the advantage of beating most spy actions against you with the huge spy def stats. Why also should you get dtw to attacks? That's what I call a double whammy. You sacrifice plunder and troop strength to get added strength to stop spies. You shouldn't also get the advantage of being dtw. You chose to add towers. Obviously in your case it was strictly to take advantage of the exploit. Not to add strength to stop spies. Your argument males it clear you converted only for the exploit. Not the build. So I say you deserve it when they rip the mech out from under you guys and you have to actually learn a strategy to become effective in the new EE's
@ pummelor. I GUARANTEE you I know more about mechanics in this game than you likely ever will. To throw insults at us, who understand that the tower build is an obvious exploit, by calling us weak is a GREAT argument. Makes your argument sooooouch more effective. Omg I got called names by an obvious EB fairy. I'm gonna go cry now. Please don't come console me guys. Just let me cry in my corner alone
@ black - considering the only clans that have beat us managed to do it, proves that not everyone who plays this game is an intellectual wasteland
Hmm valor and blackhand satan seems to imply its under 20% spies but pummelor tells me in EE spies must be zeroed for troops to be dtw. I'm confused as to which is true. Thanks to all for answering me anyway
@ everybody. I hope no one takes offense to my post's. I'm merely keeping the debate going with my posts out of sheer boredom lol. Especially you valor being as I have a huge amount of respect for WaRLoR and IMF. That being said, it's not impossible for towers to be beat. That's not the argument from me. But the fact remains that it is the only build to have this invulnerability. And in EE wars dtw was supposed to be removed. Dtw was removed for hansels to be able to pin troops and be dtw for assn. So even at zero troops I'm still wide open for assn. And I can't use pots to defend scouts which were made all around stronger for EE wars. So for the fairness of all involved I would also like to see dtw removed from tower builds because it has no place in the new EE wars.
@metallic I am right. Apparently the supposed guarantee that ashen has issued about knowing more than me about mechanics is not quite as rock solid all caps as he makes it out to be. I've said it before several times but I'll say it again. Mechanics are unchanged for EE wars. The only thing that has changed is that dtw has moved from 20% to 0. Also, you would think that ashen would be happy that a tower build has come onto this thread and said the tower mech should be nerfed. Apparently there's no pleasing some people.
I have see a lot include the mirth payouts is not fair (include me). I would suggest dev include potential mirth earn in together in the plunder so we can roughly know which action or what opponent we attack give us more reward in mirth to avoid confusion in mirth payout
You should consider that it is a legitimate build, being discovered/tested/used by folks. Using it as an exploit is a separate issue, but if mechanism changes Tower build will become a very week build. No doubt they should be compensated (and not in terms of mith :lol: ).
Devs will make a change for sure, EE wars are a lot of fun and people are enjoying them soo much that they are PURCHASING xstals...if tower builds kill EE wars devs will lose $$.
A N D VS ZAFT....... ZAFT PUT A WHOOPING ON THE TOWER BUILDS. WHO SAID TOWER BUILDS WERE INVINCIBLE AND ALMIGHTY? I THOUGHT SO.
Its just one thing i dont understand. If you have a huge spy defence wy are you DTW for normal hits. Wy cant a huge hitter hit a tower, the stats are on spy defence only. Or did i miss somthing ?
No. You understand perfectly. Doesn't make any sense does it? At least you can assassinate troops in a tower OH WAIT! The tower was specifically designed to withstand spy attacks This build is utterly broken