Yes. it is important to note that the devs seem to be making small changes to the mechanics to lessen the advantage of spies. Maybe they have done enough already.
Remove the dtw mech. let hansels or pure spies be hit even with no gold out. would be nice to see spy builds with att def towers for a change.
@justice Lol true. I cringe to think about all those pwar osf dropping pots for hours on end. Or worse yet, using nobs to open.
A hybrid build can hit hansel even hansel got no gold out, u can convert ur att build to hybrid noob :lol: :lol:
Hybrid also can assa hansel to pin, same like hansel assa attack build to pin. so why need to add more power to attack build only? :roll: :roll:
No need to scare of hansel of osf, very easy to pin them only. U need me to teach u op? :lol: :lol: :lol:
No, the mechanics of the game would change. Can you imagine how different KaW would be without pure builds or hansels? Yes, the devs did not intend this, but it is part of us. The pwar era started almost 3 years back (right?), and apy builds have been there ever since. Besides, playing a hansel is actually sort of fun. IMO, attack build is better in EW, if you know how to use them...
Orcanut, disagree, then there would be an always-open pure spy giving wc billions every minute, with 0 gold out. And hansels would die after that.
I support. But keep in mind, we do send millions of troops out in war, but we do deploy elite units out known as the seals . They specialize in tactical warfare and most missions require stealth and staying undetected. I agree that the game has become a rival between the 2 builds, but stealth puts fun into the game. It's fun to hit the battle list with hundreds of billions out, but not have to worrie about return hits because they don't know who it was Puts some fun into a day filled with ebs.
SUPPORT,to many hansels and the people who use them are almost always assholes,I say we just ban hansel accounts.
U take away one thing something else springs up in its place. Took away tower builds which were a clear exploit which spy builds and hansels really aren't. And now you're going after spy builds. And your knowledge of hansel mechs is surprisingly inaccurate. If we had 0 gold out other hansels may still attack us. If we keep ourselves dtw by pinning troops we can still be spy pinned and also stolen from until our spies too are below 20% Now this isn't unfair at all, though if turtle wars were still existent it would be. But they aren't. Sure spies dominate strips. But they can easily be countered in EE by attk builds zeroing their spies. They can be scout bombed in osw by attk builds to be neutralized. The biggest reason I see why people whine about how spy builds are unfair is because we use our builds at what they are best at. Well I'm terribly sorry I war with a build that's better for osw than any other besides pure spy with no allies and nothing to lose. Suck it up KaW. If you want crutches, you are playing the wrong game. This game has gotten nothing but easier to be successful at over time and all I see is players pissing wanting it easier. It ain't war without some snooping. If u charge into straight ahead combat against a fully armored knight naked and with a a knife, u will die. Wait Til he sleeps and slash his throat. This is war it ain't ever gonna be fair. If you can't come to grips with that get farmed and gtho imo.
Really? This would make troop builds better than spies. Spy buildings cost more, the pots cost more, and even a build complete pure spy is easily pinned with scouts. Such a bad idea, you want to be a effective attack builds? Add some towers :-\
Okay I would like to dissect Cyn’s argument. His comments are in the green. U take away one thing something else springs up in its place. This is often said, but never proven. The devs took away referral bonus crystals. What were these replaced with? Took away tower builds which were a clear exploit which spy builds and hansels really aren't. And you proof is? Just saying it doesn’t make it so. And now you're going after spy builds. No, I am suggesting no changes to spy builds. I am suggesting attack build only lands, just like how Tier 1 and 2 cannot be built on the Highlands. And your knowledge of hansel mechs is surprisingly inaccurate. If we had 0 gold out other hansels may still attack us. If we keep ourselves dtw by pinning troops we can still be spy pinned and also stolen from until our spies too are below 20% Well,....duhh. Did you actually read the proposal? I am talking about ATTACK BUILDS (75% over attack buildings) hitting SPY BUILDS (90% over spy buildings). What do I care if a Hansel can hit another Hansel? Read before posting please. Now this isn't unfair at all, though if turtle wars were still existent it would be. But they aren't. Umm, Cyn, you can still declare war. Sure spies dominate strips. But they can easily be countered in EE by attk builds zeroing their spies. They can be scout bombed in osw by attk builds to be neutralized. So you are saying a single attack build can scout bomb a big spy build to zero spies all by themselves? How many crystals are we talking about here? I think you are the one not understanding the Mechs. The biggest reason I see why people whine about how spy builds are unfair is because we use our builds at what they are best at. Well I'm terribly sorry I war with a build that's better for osw than any other besides pure spy with no allies and nothing to lose. We forgive you. (Actually, I don’t think anyone mentioned you specifically, Cyn) Suck it up KaW. If you want crutches, you are playing the wrong game. This game has gotten nothing but easier to be successful at over time and all I see is players pissing wanting it easier. It has gotten easier? And your proof is.....Where? It ain't war without some snooping. Yes, but osw is 90% snooping. If u charge into straight ahead combat against a fully armored knight naked and with a a knife, u will die. Wait Til he sleeps and slash his throat. The problem is the knight lacks to opportunity to charge you in the first place if you are a spy with no allies or gold out. This is war it ain't ever gonna be fair. If you can't come to grips with that get farmed and gtho imo. So, basically Cyn’s solution is for everyone to become a Hansel like him because it is “better”. And he is right. Under the present mechanics, a Hansel is indeed better. That’s because it’s a game of snooping not warring. Just to say it once again the utter core of the problem is this. If a Hansel (one attack building rest spies) is stripped of gold in an osw (not talking), he will eventually go dtw if he is attacked even if the gold is not drained. The one attack building presents him from being open forever to hit. How if a big attack build (one spy build, rest attacks) is stripped of gold in an osw he will be open for a long as he has gold out. The one spy build does nothing to help him go dtw. This in a nutshell is the huge osw advantage the Hansel has, and is the reason osw is fought 90% with spies. Unfortunately with the pwar exploits Kaw is littered with hansels. Can it be corrected? Not without a mess. My new lands idea is by no means perfect, but it could be one option in fixing the problem. Thanks for the input. I love a good debate.
There used to be head to head fights when tower builds were becoming a growing exploit. Sure it's a clear exploit but it gave this head to head combat you're talking about. To be honest, I support this idea with all my heart. Lands where 0 spies are allowed to be built.
Thanks for the support. I don't think this is a perfect solution or a cure, but it might give players a better chance of catching and surviving a strip, and convince more people to fight face to face instead of tracking sleeping times.
Hmmm! I will be honest here, I don't think it's going to work! Sure you bring good points on both ends of the table but like a few people said their will always be some kind of new obstacle that will pop up that would need to be overcome