Forum; Off-Topic Change

[NHL]

Ok I will pin point a few reason why we lock threads on forums.

Also as you may noticed some small threads are being left alone, we are giving forums a go for small threads that seem to be an interesting topic to questions.

Now, main reason why we lock threads on forums that cause.

1: once an question has been answered for what OP has asked, so trolls do not give false information which is a forum 24 hour bannable offence.

2: when people start personally attacking other people on forums, so there for we review the threads and may take action and help to protect a few people, yes I get that people hate us for locking threads but we do it for a reason.

3: when a player just posts just random things that has barely no effort at all and done it on purpose is called spam, we warn the user and if they continue with their behaviour we then take furthermore action against them.

4: most common one is when OP asks us to lock their thread so people do not go off topic for a important discussion.

5: we also lock threads that actually go off topic from the original post, there for it is no use to stay active on forums.

6: also we lock threads that has a lack of effort cause if we keep them up it clogs the active forums board which then moves other active threads down to another page where other users cannot see them unless they go to page 2.

7: it is also against the ToU to discuss someone’s silence, forum ban or in game ban on our public channels, if we catch anyone doing this we will lock the thread and post a warning, if ignore then we take action.

8: it is also against the ToU to falsely accused players for cheating, stating others buy accounts to auto clickers.

9: we also lock threads that contains personal information or personal links or 3rd party links which is not allowed, we often allow certain links on forums but not the rest.

So as we keep on saying number of times, if a moderator has locked a thread and YOU believe it should stay active and unlocked, please state a reason for it, another review will take place then the moderator will then decide, if you have an issue with a moderator we do highly suggest along with the developers and support members to contact moderators besides posting on forums which can lead you to a 24 hour forum ban which we do not want.

Also we are required to post on a thread why it has been locked so op can see the post before we move it to the GY to clear forums.

If you believe a moderator is abusing his or hers powers please open up a ticket if you cannot resolve it with a moderator and discuss it with the team, if the team believes one of us has done wrong they will then personally contact us and give us a heads up.

So if anyone has issues with the rules please contact your moderator or anyone of us so we can help you out.

So this is a good discussion so it will remain open, just remember no attacking people, no accusing people, keep it friendly.

Many thanks

Eagle, let me point out a few things.

1) If active topics were as popular as you like to think they are, I can see why you lock threads that “clog up” AT, but we don’t have a popular forum because the AT’s are few and far between. So locking due to “clogging up active topics” is redundant and worthless.

2) We all know the rules and what is determinate of a lock, silence or ban. What I am disagreeing with is the off-topic discussion and the aforementioned reasons in my OP.

3) You can suggest that we contact another mod or even opening the help window to submit a ticket, I’m telling you this is pointless as I have done this multiple times and have been shut down by both moderators and developers regarding forum posts/threads that were locked or regarding a ban.

4) I created this thread specifically so people can go off-topic, talk about what they want, including in-game nonsense and banter. What you may deem as “attacking” is actually just war banter, and this is a war game still. Despite the immense amount of trading going on.

5) This thread was also created to jumpstart an era of KaW where people can express themselves with threads without the fear of silences or bans. This thread will give the developers a chance to see what effects their “rules” have on the majority of forumers. We aren’t complaining about a silence or a ban, but it needs to be stated that some of them are unjust. If that’s against the ToU, then that makes me wonder why. Like why do you not want people knowing about unjust silences or bans?

6) Since this thread is an “off-topic” thread that is posted in “off-topic”, I don’t consider anything here to be derailment or off-topic. I am encouraging dialogue between the active forumers and trying to force the forums back into a state of constant activeness. Dialogue is what keeps people coming back to forums. Read my OP regarding dialogue within the forums.

The constant locking for some of your aforementioned reasons are unjust reasons. For example: “Low-effort”. Low effort is in the eye of the beholder. If it’s low effort, it will die naturally, you don’t need to tick someone off by locking it if there is dialogue being had within that “low-effort” thread. As for locking for “off-topic”, again, re-read my OP.

I have made similar points on a thread about 1-2 weeks ago, and couldn’t agree more. There shouldn’t be so much vagueness in the rules, it pretty much gives the moderators the power to ban whichever thread they want, because the rules are so vague that they can interpret it breaking at least one of the rules.

I also completely agree with the “low effort forums” argument. How do you define a forum low effort. No colored text? No memes? Less than 10 words? Because I have seen threads in my day that meet none of this criteria yet makes for some of the most interesting discussion I’ve ever seen on this app.

I think generally it may not be the moderators faults, they are just doing there best to interpret the rules, they might go a little overboard with them, but the rules are so vague that there is room to be as strict as they are, the only real way I see to fix this is a more structured rule/rule enforcement system set out by ata. I don’t know if this is in there interest, but seeing as this is the second thread in the last few weeks that has blown up with similar topics I’m hoping they at least notice.

Also banter is fun, everyone likes to banter especially in a war game where you can 1v1, as long as it doesn’t get personal and is just good old trash talking I don’t see why this shouldn’t be allowed.

I didn’t even read this crap. I just wanted to go off topic, and say which is your favourite NHL team? Please quote, and answer thnx bai!!! 

 

[Lonesong]

^ like that

 

[Domo]

Forum: What is it?

A forum is a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. This means that dialogue is essential to any forum and is needed to progress the livelihood of the forum itself.

The reason why I am posting this is due to the hinderance of dialogue in the form of bans and locks. Currently, there is a section in the Terms of Use regarding Off-Topic discussion being a ban-worthy offense or a lock of your thread. I believe this shouldn’t be absolute for a couple of reasons:

1) Off-topic discussion is almost always guaranteed due to differing views and ideas. Analogies and examples are a major part of dialogue.

2) Off-topic discussion is needed to progress the forums. You can’t have an exchange of ideas and views without it.


As a paying player, I expect to have access to all aspects of the game. Not what someone chooses I can access. I put money into this game to experience the entire game, not parts of it. So locks and bans are ridiculous unless the person is really flying off the handle. Especially when that ban or lock is due to “off-topic discussion”. And when you’re not allowed to appeal it, it creates tension like you’ve never seen.

I am requesting that the developers look into calibrating their “off-topic” rule and understand that not all off-topic discussion is ban-worthy like how the moderators think it is. Without off-topic discussion, we would have no forums. When you go to create a new post, you literally have to click into “Off-Topic” to create that new post. Why there is such vitriol for off-topic discussion is beyond me. Converse below, no dialogue here will be considered off-topic, or all of it can be considered off-topic. Whatever floats your boat. This is being posted in “Off-Topic”, so go wild. Just don’t be offensive.

My favorite NHL team is Chicago Blackhawks baby !!!

 

[Original_Belladonna]

I didn’t even read this crap. I just wanted to go off topic, and say which is your favourite NHL team? Please quote, and answer thnx bai!!! 

Aww, that’s cute that you didn’t even read it. May I assume that’s due to comprehension issues or laziness? Nonetheless, I don’t have a “favorite” per say, but I do like the Toronto Maple Leafs. 

 

[NHL]

I didn’t even read this crap. I just wanted to go off topic, and say which is your favourite NHL team? Please quote, and answer thnx bai!!! 

Aww, that’s cute that you didn’t even read it. May I assume that’s due to comprehension issues or laziness? Nonetheless, I don’t have a “favorite” per say, but I do like the Toronto Maple Leafs. 

Lolz. You got it bells. 

 

[Domo]

Seems like the green army and VK are the devs pr division. Post new ideas and a week later the devs implement it. What a switch a roo going on here.

Bells threads are really the only ones I like to be in anymore. So I think I’ll stay in those. They are really killing the forums. There was only a handful of ppl in support of the “new” ideas and they get passed.

 

[Tzshifter]

Ok I will pin point a few reason why we lock threads on forums.

Also as you may noticed some small threads are being left alone, we are giving forums a go for small threads that seem to be an interesting topic to questions.

Now, main reason why we lock threads on forums that cause.

1: once an question has been answered for what OP has asked, so trolls do not give false information which is a forum 24 hour bannable offence.

2: when people start personally attacking other people on forums, so there for we review the threads and may take action and help to protect a few people, yes I get that people hate us for locking threads but we do it for a reason.

3: when a player just posts just random things that has barely no effort at all and done it on purpose is called spam, we warn the user and if they continue with their behaviour we then take furthermore action against them.

4: most common one is when OP asks us to lock their thread so people do not go off topic for a important discussion.

5: we also lock threads that actually go off topic from the original post, there for it is no use to stay active on forums.

6: also we lock threads that has a lack of effort cause if we keep them up it clogs the active forums board which then moves other active threads down to another page where other users cannot see them unless they go to page 2.

7: it is also against the ToU to discuss someone’s silence, forum ban or in game ban on our public channels, if we catch anyone doing this we will lock the thread and post a warning, if ignore then we take action.

8: it is also against the ToU to falsely accused players for cheating, stating others buy accounts to auto clickers.

9: we also lock threads that contains personal information or personal links or 3rd party links which is not allowed, we often allow certain links on forums but not the rest.

So as we keep on saying number of times, if a moderator has locked a thread and YOU believe it should stay active and unlocked, please state a reason for it, another review will take place then the moderator will then decide, if you have an issue with a moderator we do highly suggest along with the developers and support members to contact moderators besides posting on forums which can lead you to a 24 hour forum ban which we do not want.

Also we are required to post on a thread why it has been locked so op can see the post before we move it to the GY to clear forums.

If you believe a moderator is abusing his or hers powers please open up a ticket if you cannot resolve it with a moderator and discuss it with the team, if the team believes one of us has done wrong they will then personally contact us and give us a heads up.

So if anyone has issues with the rules please contact your moderator or anyone of us so we can help you out.

So this is a good discussion so it will remain open, just remember no attacking people, no accusing people, keep it friendly.

Many thanks

Eagle, let me point out a few things.

1) If active topics were as popular as you like to think they are, I can see why you lock threads that “clog up” AT, but we don’t have a popular forum because the AT’s are few and far between. So locking due to “clogging up active topics” is redundant and worthless.

2) We all know the rules and what is determinate of a lock, silence or ban. What I am disagreeing with is the off-topic discussion and the aforementioned reasons in my OP.

3) You can suggest that we contact another mod or even opening the help window to submit a ticket, I’m telling you this is pointless as I have done this multiple times and have been shut down by both moderators and developers regarding forum posts/threads that were locked or regarding a ban.

4) I created this thread specifically so people can go off-topic, talk about what they want, including in-game nonsense and banter. What you may deem as “attacking” is actually just war banter, and this is a war game still. Despite the immense amount of trading going on.

5) This thread was also created to jumpstart an era of KaW where people can express themselves with threads without the fear of silences or bans. This thread will give the developers a chance to see what effects their “rules” have on the majority of forumers. We aren’t complaining about a silence or a ban, but it needs to be stated that some of them are unjust. If that’s against the ToU, then that makes me wonder why. Like why do you not want people knowing about unjust silences or bans?

6) Since this thread is an “off-topic” thread that is posted in “off-topic”, I don’t consider anything here to be derailment or off-topic. I am encouraging dialogue between the active forumers and trying to force the forums back into a state of constant activeness. Dialogue is what keeps people coming back to forums. Read my OP regarding dialogue within the forums.

The constant locking for some of your aforementioned reasons are unjust reasons. For example: “Low-effort”. Low effort is in the eye of the beholder. If it’s low effort, it will die naturally, you don’t need to tick someone off by locking it if there is dialogue being had within that “low-effort” thread. As for locking for “off-topic”, again, re-read my OP.

I have made similar points on a thread about 1-2 weeks ago, and couldn’t agree more. There shouldn’t be so much vagueness in the rules, it pretty much gives the moderators the power to ban whichever thread they want, because the rules are so vague that they can interpret it breaking at least one of the rules.

I also completely agree with the “low effort forums” argument. How do you define a forum low effort. No colored text? No memes? Less than 10 words? Because I have seen threads in my day that meet none of this criteria yet makes for some of the most interesting discussion I’ve ever seen on this app.

I think generally it may not be the moderators faults, they are just doing there best to interpret the rules, they might go a little overboard with them, but the rules are so vague that there is room to be as strict as they are, the only real way I see to fix this is a more structured rule/rule enforcement system set out by ata. I don’t know if this is in there interest, but seeing as this is the second thread in the last few weeks that has blown up with similar topics I’m hoping they at least notice.

Also banter is fun, everyone likes to banter especially in a war game where you can 1v1, as long as it doesn’t get personal and is just good old trash talking I don’t see why this shouldn’t be allowed.

I’m starting to like Bella

 

[Original_Belladonna]

Seems like the green army and VK are the devs pr division. Post new ideas and a week later the devs implement it. What a switch a roo going on here.

Bells threads are really the only ones I like to be in anymore. So I think I’ll stay in those. They are really killing the forums. There was only a handful of ppl in support of the “new” ideas and they get passed.

I don’t know what they’ve got against regular paying players, but it’s unnerving for sure. I just wish there would be a little more transparency throughout the entire game. This mishandling of everything is out of control. But, I’ll keep suggesting things, I’ll keep posting to create dialogue. Many of my future threads will continue to be “Off-Topic” threads so people can actually converse as forums are meant to be. I don’t want the risk of it being locked or anything because someone derailed or went off-topic. Forums are meant for dialogue, it’s time we start having dialogue.

 

[Stacy_P]

Seems like the green army and VK are the devs pr division. Post new ideas and a week later the devs implement it. What a switch a roo going on here.

Bells threads are really the only ones I like to be in anymore. So I think I’ll stay in those. They are really killing the forums. There was only a handful of ppl in support of the “new” ideas and they get passed.

The funny thing about this yet another complaint is increasing the clan role slots has been something asked for by many ever since they implemented specific clan roles, so really has taken some time! Maybe instead of always being negative nancy all the time about everything then people could actually respect your opinion. I mean atleast Bella puts out ideas so far what I see you do is just try to bash everything or everyone you dont like.

Also, I think I remember in another thread you asking Titan about fixing/improving the pvp/war aspect of the game, from what I read in his thread thats primarily what this idea would apply towards pvp/osw/war, so you asked and sounds like you have received a answer atleast in a potential idea that could help in the war and/or pvp!

 

[Original_Belladonna]

Seems like the green army and VK are the devs pr division. Post new ideas and a week later the devs implement it. What a switch a roo going on here.

Bells threads are really the only ones I like to be in anymore. So I think I’ll stay in those. They are really killing the forums. There was only a handful of ppl in support of the “new” ideas and they get passed.

The funny thing about this yet another complaint is increasing the clan role slots has been something asked for by many ever since they implemented specific clan roles, so really has taken some time! Maybe instead of always being negative nancy all the time about everything then people could actually respect your opinion. I mean atleast Bella puts out ideas so far what I see you do is just try to bash everything or everyone you dont like.

Also, I think I remember in another thread you asking Titan about fixing/improving the pvp/war aspect of the game, from what I read in his thread thats primarily what this idea would apply towards pvp/osw/war, so you asked and sounds like you have received a answer atleast in a potential idea that could help in the war and/or pvp!

Now you went ahead and burned this image into my brain. Whenever I see you post, I’ll assume you’re making this face. Or are you really Simon? *wondering

 

[Domo]

Who cares. She defends even though I didn’t attack. I merely said that these “new” ideas aren’t new to the devs and or pr team. In about a week these “new” ideas will be implemented. So there really is no use for discussion on it.

 

[Stacy_P]

Seems like the green army and VK are the devs pr division. Post new ideas and a week later the devs implement it. What a switch a roo going on here.

Bells threads are really the only ones I like to be in anymore. So I think I’ll stay in those. They are really killing the forums. There was only a handful of ppl in support of the “new” ideas and they get passed.

Now you went ahead and burned this image into my brain. Whenever I see you post, I’ll assume you’re making this face. Or are you really Simon? *wondering

Lol, it just baffles me that one min the complaints are the devs are on auto run, games dying, etc. The devs start taking a few steps its still complained about. Plus the ideas implemented or things done were:

1. ASW is coming (people been asking about that),

2. trade calculator (been brought up by many, but pretty sure it wasnt in my threads and yes wanted trade calculator but my idea of it was a bit different, the devs main purpose was obviously to try and help stop scamming),

3. Lastly is clan roles limitations increased, dont know if you saw but Wassby, a moderator, stated shes been asking for years about this.

So his points were invalid really it was just trying to make another jab because the changes made were not based around any "new" ideas.

As far as the image, I guess imagine that face when you see post like the one above, as again it really baffles me sometimes how people think. If I was Simon btw and playing kaw, I'd have alot more money to spend and would probably be BC and be able to run alot more premium ebs at our clan, so to answer that question, no I am not Simon!! :lol:

 

[Lonesong]

i couldnt sleep at night because kaw didnt have a trade calculator. now im okay though. thanks winston!

 

[Original_Belladonna]

Stacy, what I said about Simon was only me being facetious. I’m sorry you can’t take a joke. As for people complaining, well, when you see favoritism and outright injustice towards some of these people, what else can they do but complain? It’s human nature to disagree with something, does that make it a complaint? Of course not. What you’re failing to see is the blatant disrespect that this type of behavior bestows. Especially by people who are supposed to be for the players, not for the select players of their choosing.

 

[Stacy_P]

Stacy, what I said about Simon was only me being facetious. I’m sorry you can’t take a joke. As for people complaining, well, when you see favoritism and outright injustice towards some of these people, what else can they do but complain? It’s human nature to disagree with something, does that make it a complaint? Of course not. What you’re failing to see is the blatant disrespect that this type of behavior bestows. Especially by people who are supposed to be for the players, not for the select players of their choosing.

Lol, I got the joke, hence the :lol: at the end when referring to the pic of Simon!

I agree people can disagree but his comment and others he's made has been more than disagreeing! Honestly, I'm not going to argue about it all, I think most on here are able to see past all the disgruntalness. As far as Domo, he has only shown dislike for me since I was given the honor of VK, which is fine, except he even said himself he didnt know of me before then, and he doesnt know me now, so all his snarky, disagreeing, and complaining comments about or towards me comes out as such. Outside of that, I dont mind disagreeing or agreeing on things as you and I have done both.

 

[XIXXIIX_monkey-poo_IXIIXXI]

Stacy, what I said about Simon was only me being facetious. I’m sorry you can’t take a joke. As for people complaining, well, when you see favoritism and outright injustice towards some of these people, what else can they do but complain? It’s human nature to disagree with something, does that make it a complaint? Of course not. What you’re failing to see is the blatant disrespect that this type of behavior bestows. Especially by people who are supposed to be for the players, not for the select players of their choosing.

I SUPPORT THE ABOVE STATEMENT 100%

 

[Original_Belladonna]

Stacy, what I said about Simon was only me being facetious. I’m sorry you can’t take a joke. As for people complaining, well, when you see favoritism and outright injustice towards some of these people, what else can they do but complain? It’s human nature to disagree with something, does that make it a complaint? Of course not. What you’re failing to see is the blatant disrespect that this type of behavior bestows. Especially by people who are supposed to be for the players, not for the select players of their choosing.

Lol, I got the joke, hence the :lol: at the end when referring to the pic of Simon!

I agree people can disagree but his comment and others he's made has been more than disagreeing! Honestly, I'm not going to argue about it all, I think most on here are able to see past all the disgruntalness. As far as Domo, he has only shown dislike for me since I was given the honor of VK, which is fine, except he even said himself he didnt know of me before then, and he doesnt know me now, so all his snarky, disagreeing, and complaining comments about or towards me comes out as such. Outside of that, I dont mind disagreeing or agreeing on things as you and I have done both.

Well, your elongated comment says otherwise, but alas, we are at a crossroads. You being a Valiant Knight who has more authority than regular players all because you have answered commonly asked questions and inquiries and myself being just a regular paying player that can’t seem to get any footing because we have biased authoritative figures in this game that think it’s ok to select and target certain individuals. It’s not just VK’s and Mods, it’s the developers as well. We have all seen it. Some of us experience it on a daily basis.

As far as Domo, he’s been here quite some time, as many people have. Just because he disagrees with the way this is being played, doesn’t mean he “dislikes” anyone. He dislikes what is happening and he calls people out on it, as he should.

We have disagreed on many things, and disagreement is ok. Disagreement is what keeps fires alive and the need to progress further continues to cycle. Again, it’s human nature. Nonetheless, some disagreements seem to be silenceable while others of the same magnitude are not.

Let’s go into threads. My thread about converting crystals to nobility, that was locked due to “no new points being made”, your thread about clan loyalty and enhancements also went in circles and didn’t make any new points and was left unlocked. Double standards at play here and it’s all due to you being a Valiant Knight. Nothing more and nothing less. You have higher priority than I do because you decided to answer a few questions.

But this isn’t a contest and they can lock what they want, but mine was a very valid option that could be implemented to benefit both players and the developers as I explained multiple times. But because I’m just me, a regular paying player, I get shut down. It’s absurd. I’m not complaining, I’m just saying it like it is. The facts. I’d post the help tickets regarding the devs, but they already shut me down from that so they aren’t held accountable. They are accountable for everything that happens here.

 

[XIXXIIX_monkey-poo_IXIIXXI]

Well, your elongated comment says otherwise, but alas, we are at a crossroads. You being a Valiant Knight who has more authority than regular players all because you have answered commonly asked questions and inquiries and myself being just a regular paying player that can’t seem to get any footing because we have biased authoritative figures in this game that think it’s ok to select and target certain individuals. It’s not just VK’s and Mods, it’s the developers as well. We have all seen it. Some of us experience it on a daily basis.

“HALLELUJAH!! HALLELUJAH!! ...can I hear an amen!? I said can I hear an amen??!!
yeah she said that, she meant that & she represents that. SING IT SISTER!!! 

 

[Domo]

Who cares. She defends even though I didn’t attack. I merely said that these “new” ideas aren’t new to the devs and or pr team. In about a week these “new” ideas will be implemented. So there really is no use for discussion on it.

Again I say it.

“New” is supposed to be sarcasm. If you read it before you whine about it, it clearly says that your so called new ideas aren’t new persay. They are being pushed onto the community as a “get ready here it comes” disguised as a new idea. So it really doesn’t matter to have open dialogue about any of it Stacy.
No jabs coming from here or there. Just no reason to even discuss the “new” ideas anymore.

 

[XIXXIIX_monkey-poo_IXIIXXI]

...you’re obviously obsessed with Domo, give it up he is out of your league