So true. I hit someone 10 times, and I get walled by 5 members, and have to go on pal to talk with another 2.
I think the most you should do is until it says to weak to attack or you run out of troops stopping the finding the specific player after one of you recharges not durring battle is farming in my opinion
And then there are the brokers of peace. Dudes and dudettes who have nothing else to do but to get involved in others affairs, the ones that are not even affiliated to the defender in question or their clan. I simply say that I do not use Palringo or any other similar software when asked to come and partake at negotiations. I also agree that there is too much whining. Just shut it and let loose hell in any way possible. Just my thoughts.