Fangs Are Fair Towards Attack Builds (Modified for Moths)

Discussion in 'Strategy' started by IlIlIlIlI-Versa-IlIlIlIlI, Nov 1, 2013.

  1. Re: Fangs Are Fair Towards Attack Builds

    I would like to point out that even though I may have the same stats as a 9mil cs Hancel they will have more buildings than me since spy builds don't give as much in stats but the plunder is still about the same it if I where to be a Hancel build I would be about 3~4 mil cs stats with the same number of buildings and land
     
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    It would have to be because of pots the damage from then is way low
     
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    The 2nd eb in history i unloaded spies full and skimmed attack and some items got 283 something fangs
    Next eb only attack skim and some items
    192 fangs
     
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    What were your damages shai? How much did an attack do and how much did a spy do?

    -Versa-
     
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    If they understood the details then why did they correct the original tower build and call it an exploit. Then investigate accusations of booting with another form of a tower build. They understand a lot but many things escape their eye and is later found put by the players.

    It's more likely that several 100k players will discover an unintended design or mechanic than the developers if it takes certain circumstances to achieve it
     
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    According to all the data I have seen, the result is simply that for a heavy attack build spy actions have a negligible contribution towards your end bonus plunder as well as the drop fang.

    This simply explains why an attack build will get a lower fang income compared with a spy build for an identical hit rate, both using their spies.

    Here some funny result from our night Destroyer:
    Attack build: 266 hits - 102 fangs - 11 pots
    Hansel: 259 hits - 287 fangs - 33 pots
    End bonus 833m vs 1,733b (total plunder: 5,4b vs 4,6b)

    Looks like the fang drop mechanism is identical to the good old pot bonus drop mechanism. And this seems paired to end bonus payout and has nothing to do with damage done on the eb.
     
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    Spy is average 150 per hit
    Attack 200 per hit
    I didnt use spy in the last eb but unloaded full spies in the 2nd last eb
     
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    ***RESULTS**** Combined:
    ***Test 1 - Haunting the escape (1 hour ago)
    1-Attack build (Full Spy/Army unload) 66 actions 158 fangs
    2-Hansel (Full Spy/Army unload) 62 actions 160 fangs
    3-Attach heavy balanced build (me)...Army only unload...27 Actions 140 Fangs

    ***Test 2 - Haunting the escape (10 mins ago)
    Haunting the escape (5 mins ago)
    1-Attack build (Army unload only) 27 actions 139 fangs
    2-Hansel (Spy only unload) 36 actions 45 fangs
    3-Attach heavy balanced build (me)...(Full Spy/Army unload)...60 Actions 142 Fangs

    NB: Stats for the 3 builds in order:
    1-Troops 5.9m/5.7m, Spy 1.3m/1.6m
    2-Troops 1.0m/1.1m, Spy 1.5m/2.0m (Hansel...some might say spy heavy balanced)
    3-Troops 2.9m/2.9m, Spy 0.7m/0.9m

    Observation:
    Based on a sample of 2 ebs (which is not enough given a random factor), the theory did not result in the attack only build earning more total fangs than it "likely" would have earned doing a full unload. However...approx. 20 fangs difference is "stuff all"...and I still think the PVP benefit outweighs 20 fangs that I am gonna throw in the bin tomorrow.
     
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    I love your feedback Kassio, but I've told 6 people to hit with just troops, no pots or spies and their fang drops have increased. There is something more to this.

    -Versa-
     
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    So you mean to say i dont use pots just attack skim the eb? Well i'll try that out too
     
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    Just did another escape 37 actions 183 fangs no spies used or pots used 
     
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    Hmm, a relative pattern I've been seeing is if spies are larger than 1mil Att stat, than the troop Att stat must be 5-6 times larger to create a positive gain for just troops while a spy Att stat of less than 1mil requires a troop Att stat of 4 times larger to create a positive gain for just troops.

    -Versa-
     
  13. Re: Fangs Are Fair Towards Attack Builds

    You should create a new thread to post those mechanics once you get more info. That could be very helpful if kaw does another promotion
     
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    lol
    u might be right handball
    It "might" operate better at the extremes ends of the build spectrum
    It might operate better on other ebs (like NML)

    But this little collection of alts...its "Myth busted". Backyard scientist heading off to down 2nd bottle of shiraz :ugeek:


    NB: Shiraz did not affect the testing (I swear to God)

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    Support here having clan members try it and doing more hte will update if anything is different from my first 2 tests
     
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    Thanks man, that is some irreplaceable reporting ️

    -Versa-
     
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    Happy to...I got no chance at 20k bow...so we might as well make our own fun

    Back to the wine bottle...also known to make its own fun.

    hiccup. :mrgreen:

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  18. Re: Fangs Are Fair Towards Attack Builds

    Just finished testing on NML:

    Attack build 6.8m / 6.4m 0.27m / 1.1m

    Using only attack: 40 actions 99 fangs (this NML)

    Using att/assas : 71 actions 71 fangs (previous NML)

    My interpretation: during 40 actions i can make roughly 60 assas actions. That makes a total of 100 actions. Got 99 fangs and rop rate is ~ 1 fang x action. Which is exactly the previous rate drop.
    My only conclusion about this is: using or not using spy actions with an attack build does not increase or decrease the drop. Drop on attack build is only correlated to the number of attack actions.
    P.S. my interpretation may be wrong, feel free to correct me 
     
  19. Re: Fangs Are Fair Towards Attack Builds

    Reading posts now i see that my conclusion is pretty much the same as the conclusion of DN_CASSIO.
     
  20. Re: Fangs Are Fair Towards Attack Builds

    108 actions 544 fangs same conditions