There is a slight problem with this change. mid war your opponent decides to strip you. A fast way to bank the cash could be to pop some upgrades in since you won't have the cash to buy back. Now all you will be able to do is bank and take a huge hit as well as taking quite a while to do it: (
I have read every post and everything I was going to say has been said, and not listened to. So I will just say this. Devs, do you REALLY NOT get it? Do you not understand that people DO NOT support you? There have been over 200 posts on this thread. Maybe 30 of them support you. The rest are against your desicions. How are you that blind? You CONTINUOUSLY make terrible desicions. I might be small, but I've been around enough to know that this game sucks compared to how it used to be. You say that people were abusing the system wars, recreating plunder wars. I have NEVER seen this, and I like to look to see who is warring. Never have I seen a lopsided plunder like it was in the PWar era. You need to get in touch with your community, and do it fast. You lose more and more support with every 'update', though they are really downgrades, because they are making the game worse and worse.
Ban IP address of these exploiters. Usually I stick up for you devs, other times not. Right now, I half hate you. Why punish another 50-60 or so players by taking away all their mith if it's not their fault? They may not even know. You can't take away 2000 mith from a large player who spent a lot of time and effort and REAL money that went into your back pocket to get it. That's just sad. Think about this punishment. Or at least make KaW more even and ban players for using the letter a.
What we should so is create illegal accounts and throw them into the biggest EE clans and get all of their mithril and EE stripped from them :twisted:
Kaw admin, Can you consider if it is really necessary to stop buying or upgrading new buildings once matched for EE war? I do not think it is after looking at pros and cons and solutions. Pros: 1) stop multiple land tricks - why don't just remove this trick? 2) stop mismatch from huge upgrades - why not just let it happen? It can only happen once or it gets expensive. It's not really an exploit if there is a major sacrifice tied to it. Imagine selling 4 T5 buildings pre-match then buying back: 700b gone. Can't do that 5 times per week. Cons 1) can't use ally sales to upgrade - one answer: ban ally sales after match so not suiting on large amounts of gold and not be able to upgrade? Another answer: Why not let ppl upgrade since mismatch can't be that large? 2) spy builds can't change to hansel. Cripples benefit of hansel builds and flexibility to convert back to pure spy. Good if you are not a hansel. 3) Ppl can't vary their build according to opponent before or during war. A difficult-to-master war skill is lost. GONE
KAW - Does this mean that non-warring (i.e. veiled members) in the clan will not be able to upgrade too? We had that happen last war - #s were off cause of veiled players upgrading or selling buildings - just saying...there are ways around it
How are they not listening when they are replying to you on this thread? Invalid. MWARS. The reason you probably don't know is likely because you don't system war. Not many do. The clans that do them are doing it for mith, very little mith at that. It's not really worth the effort. This is your opinion. See, before everyone jumps on me calling me a kiss ass, all I have seen lately is ATA trying to fix this EE system, to make it a more fair environment. Per usual, if they don't listen to everybodys idea, you get what we have here. Mass whining. I don't really mind the changes, as they are in the parameters of a game that I play. I fully understand the parameters change. It's part of the game. The best part of this game IMO. If I didn't like the game, I wouldn't play. Is what it is. I argue mechanics all day long. Most noted was the Tower Build, and they heard a lot of us. They changed the mechanics. How many games you know that do that?
I understand your point. Which is why I suggested to remove the land trick after match ups. Players can build their buildings if they want to, but start at 0 troops. As for an exploit to offset the matchup system, I really can't believe that allies BFA isn't a consideration in the matchup.
I wandered around several clans before ending up in 2 good estoc clans, none of them use or have used either of the 2 big exploits (the now defunct towerbuild and the lowstat suicide atk squads) . The main difference between the clans that consistently complained about the system being unfair were considerably less organised and expected to win with little effort (maybe on the basis of their imagined awesomeness). The clans that do well on the other hand week after week DO NOT expect to win, they work for their victories each time, making sure to do several checks with each member to make sure they are free of leaks, learning about what dates have the most participants so the know how many players to include on their own side for best possible matchup etc. So if the matchup system is good enough for good clans to plan in anticipation of it then it is decent enough for most clans willing to put in an effort in a 4hour war. These complaints should be in 9/10 cases cosidered bad sportsmanship on the side of players that refuse to accept that they cant just press join EE and ask 3 members to put on colour mithspells and pretend that is all the work and organisation it takes. The worst exploit in EE wars (old towerbuilds and now landtrick alts) have been done away with, cudos to the devs for it. Reminding people that they can get banned for use of multiple computer only accounts by same person and multiple accounts on idevice by way of methods not allowed by TOU since long before EE should not make anyone confused. As for collective punishment, it's a tough call, but atleast a few clans have used up to 10 of these lowstat reset accounts, members there should be suspicious themself, if now warned in forums and those accounts turn up to be "ilegal" accounts then collective punishment is more then fine by me, they all allowed it to happen. But in most cases clans let people they dont know in and i find it hard to support collective punishment for clans that might be deceived by a single player using a normal looking account used daily and not just for EE but being ilegal anyway, such cases should lead to no more then that person being banned.
Ok, so let me make sure I understand... My clan wants to war but I don't have enough active people for a given war - feedback to the devs has always said 'recruit more' rather than ever trying a lower minimum number... So I let in a merc that turns out to have an illegal account. In that one move I and my clan lose all of our saved up mith? Sorry, it's not worth the risk. I will never participate in another ee war.
Why don't you just make failed actions not kill opponents troops/spies in ee wars. Also make the loss of plunder higher for self ko. We wars are still just turtle wars where everyone tries to jump back into pin every 15min.
I think by punishing the whole clan for one person exploiting a "loophole" you are creating a new loophole where a player can use an illegal account to intentionally sabatoge another clan. I am still confused about what an illegal account is. If two ppl are on different devices but using the same wifi they are ok im assuming. I was unaware about the land trick exploit during war, but after previous explanation I believe this has been done against us during war. I have enjoyed the wars and want to have a fair match and am glad to see the land trick taken away as it gives a player many more actions in war. I would just hate to see a new loophole wherein a player can intentionally try to harm another clan for trying to do this and be caught with the intention of taking down a clan. I feel like i could use a little more clarification from KaW, as a clan owner I now need to be more knowing of all my members, and fearful of a slimbag trying to hurt us for fun.
I'm sorry but those above posts are the silliest things I've ever read. U won't ee war b/c afraid u will lost mith b/c Mercs?? They disabled the land trick anyway and it was baby alts anyway. Just don't let in small alts but it's irrelevant now anyway.