If the incentive was there for us we would join all the EE wars and probably beat all clans matched against us being as all we really do is war so we area pretty well oiled machine. And the new system is about to roll out. The one we would definitely be joining if the incentive was there. So im trying to get the issue cleared up before the actual EE wars final copy hits the dance floor so to speak. Because I would love to be able to compete with my clanmates here at iss. It just is pointless for us to do so if the only incentive we have is a loss of time and a loss of pots
I hope the 4 hr war becomes a part of new system options . For ppl who work , it would a very favorable option to have available .
Fluffy. It's kinda like voting. If ya don't vote you don't have the right to complain about crap politics. See where I'm going with this? I'm one of the original players to play as a spy main. I did so because of the numerous advantages spy has over attack build. Not any other reasons. However I've always sided with the hitters in their claim that spies have it too easy. I've never once cried about spies not being able to do quest or whatever else spies like to cry about as unfair. Fact remains, even with EE, spies have far more perks than hitters. I'm sure this is a hard concept to grasp...osw and system war are night and day. Just cause you can osw doesn't mean you can system. If you really believe it does, let me know and I'll grab a squad up to equal ISS size and show you first hand. The incentive is all there. You're right on one thing, I have lots of accounts, many of them being spy/hansel. with EE they are all making way more funds and getting more drops. War tax is only 5% now, mithril reward is drastically increased...What more incentive do you need? Would you like ATA to just play the game for you? ....I bet this hansel account here is making more than yours which is 1mil cs bigger. wouldnt be possible without that good ole EE. You're now saying ISS would have to recruit to complete FOD. That's garbage. I already told you it can be done with 15-20 people(and that's not even all t4hlbc accounts...yeah we were doing them with that number of people prior to t5) I'm not being closed minded about anything. In fact I'm one of the few people who spoke out against this new system when they first announced it. But now that I've had ample time to check it out I can see the potential it has. The only one being close minded here is you. You're arguing over one little thing a spy doesn't get vs all the other perks spies have that other builds don't. Tad bit selfish, which is typical of a spy build. Surely you get my post earlier about why this single attack build account is able to defeat hitters with 3-4mil def on a regular basis. I bet yours does too. You don't see all the hitters flooding the forums whining about it do ya? Seriously though, it's kinda ridiculous hansels can do that. Think if a hitter with one SOS or vol could beat down a spy. Forums would blow up with whinage. It all goes back to that word I said earlier...selfish
We arent talking about the other benefits spies have over attacks. Im talking about the incentive for spies to join these wars. Like, whats the point for me to join? Its not like im gaining anything. Im basically trading pots for mith, which is pretty much useless. I have all of the eb items (eb warrior) so that bonus is useless now. The ONLY thing i get from the ee is the bonus in bb drops. Which I only get whenever my clan feels like doing fod. While all attacks are getting the whole ee bonus. Maybe now i should just use the veil every time my clan wars and save myself the hassle.
Homedawg - it's only a 4 hour war...how many pots do you think you're using? Furthermore spies are getting paid fat Mithril from war - Mithril counters pots. It's kinda like a circle right. Plus kaw is saying they have new stuff to add to Mithril soon too. About two unloads on haunting and this account makes well over 3bil from it, And it's ten land shy of lc. I wasn't making that much in this account a month ago(and no I have grown the account a bit in that time). Concerned on gold....even with EE, if a hitter close to my size does the same hits as me...I still make more gold than they do. My t4bc hansel with EE is making more from haunting, with less hits, than my 9mil spy that doesn't have EE. why don't you Log your income for the next couple of days and them take part in the EE wars this weekend(and hopefully win) and then log your income after. Shouldn't be a difference right?...but I bet there is
If only the devs *hint hint* could clarify if assassination plunder is increased with EE. I even asked support and they never answered. :'< they always answer me too :'< And of course if my clan joins the estoc trial his weekend we will win. We always win. As you can see i have the EE now .
Awesome homedawg. Hopefully you knocked some out and saw that little message saying you knocked out so and so and made 98mil and took 280mil. Getting payed in system wars for assassinations...how sick is that!? Look through your own clans eb history and tell me that spies/hansels are getting the short end of stick here.
Proph u still miss the point of my argument. And your numbers on FOD don't fit into every situation. Firstly we have to use pots on FOD being as we are hansels, most with out all items because we war all the time and don't item hunt. So have to use pots to hit the bigger ebs. Also we are hansels. Which equals less damage to the fod. And we are warring CONSTANTLY(don't get how you keep missing that)so we as hansels are warring with our spies so they don't get dumped on eb. So there is a huge loss on damage to eb because as spies that is where all our damage comes from. So it is not a valid option for us to run the bigger ebs(always at war). So no drops. makes that part of EE worthless to me. The only advantage I saw from the new EE was the plunder bonus. To find out I won't get the plunder bonus and the only way I'd get any advantage from it is to leave my clan and completely alter my style of play and go start whacking item ebs and stop doing any pvp. Because face it if I go to any item eb clan and only dump troops there while continuing to war with my spies would get me dropped from clan. Lose EE. Make it all pointless then. So why should spies like me have to completely alter there play style? So eb warriors can grow bigger?
And I call bull **** on your 3b off 2 unloads too. I just checked your eb history. 2.6b off 111 actions. That's more than 2 unloads. So obviously your numbers are slightly skewed.
Anyways I would like to know if the developers are going to look onto balancing out that aspect of the Edge or if they are leaving it as is on the final product
I agree that the payout to spies from estocs edge is severely disadvantaged compared to that of attack builds. Having earnt ee on both an attack and spy build doing same ebs to earn the difference is huge. The amount this account made with the bonus was a total joke and of no benefit. The attack build had some benefit and I'm sure level 5 will be nice. However at the moment their is no benefit at all as a spy. Re drops those I've recorded have actually still meant I've avg higher pots and bronze and without the bonus than with so my only incentive to war is to help my clan not this account. With regards to war costs everytime I have warred I have returned to clan dropping behind members earnings as opposed to those who stayed to do ebs. So where is the war incentive again? The ko 15 minute coffee breaks are infuriating. Stronger clan you can't find anyone to hit they are all ko. Weaker clan you end up ko all the time. The only difference is they have moments where they and yourself are forced out of pin which can work out as little as 4 minutes an hour of activity. Better than a 12 hour war with 0 plunder but still very poor on ko times. Devs you need to address the concerns of spies or you are telling us you want an unfair game system that only supports attack builds. Just saying. Thanks for wars but needs a bit more work.
@Fluffy. 111 actions is actually less than 2 full unloads. 24 Attacks 36 assassins = 60 x 2 unloads is 120 actions. With no pots
Well, heres some actual feedback you devs can use. Most of the time when i was playing during the wars i would be taking out a guy using my troops and what not and just as im about to ko him he ko's himself! It happened a LOT and got VERY annoying. Somebody else proposed an idea i thought would work. It basically said that self ko'ing should cost more to do every time you ko yourself. I think if you made self ko'ing less appealing, the wars would be overall more enjoyable.
Really like the new war system and the edge but believe clans should be able to link with there sub clans so if needed can go down help and teach newer members and not have to lose edge. Understand edge is supposed to help with loyalty in clan but if go to a sub clan technicality your still being loyal to the clan
I am excited to say this was my first war and enjoyed it. Here's my thoughts... 1. As everyone else said better opponent selection. 2. Is there a way to have a better time for war. Sunday is a rough time for some. Maybe you can have a roster lock time and then have a button that clan owner's can push when the members are ready. Give a time limit on this, say an hour after first clan is ready for other team to start. 3. If everyone complains about e.e being taking away from individual. Give it to the clan not the individual. If a clan loose a certain percentage or gains a certain percentage then they clan looses a percentage. 4. About reward for war since most is based on clans activity, and the clans bonus. Is there a way to implement clan land. Land that requires certain items that are won in estoc edge. Sure promotes clans do estoc trails. Building's and lands than could be bought from clan bank. They could be expensive since it would be a whole clan paying for them..these buildings could give the clan bonuses. Thanks kaw and everyone. I will continue to post more when I think of it.
after i get my ee i didnt get any drops not when it was lvl 1 and not when it become lvl 3 i tried maney fod and 2 tgl and without drops my chances was bigger without ee at least i was getting some hammers
@HomeDawg....Strongly agree on the penalty for self ko.Just another way runners can run.I have sent feedback on this very subject after the first round of wars.