What am i hearing i earned my equip thru hard word and lots of war time.the only ppl com plaining r ppl losing and too lazy to do it right.Wow really!!! learn how to war
I stayed out of season 1 mainly because the system was broken the whole time. Many things changed DURING the season. No one seems to understand season 1 was nothing more than a continued beta under a different name. Developers still do not have all the bugs worked out. And i couldnt see spending what zz just said he spenf to help beta test a flawed system. Hopefully season 2 sees a few needed changes to Estoc Wars. That being said, to not factor in bfe next season would be ridiculously silly. If EE wars are to continue on for more than 1 season it will be a must to factor it in. Think about EE season 5 instead of now and here. 2 years from now new players, or players like myself who have decided to opt out of season 1, will want to join EE wars. But if bfe doesn't get added into the matchup equation then we will all be severely outpowered. I understand part of it is strategy but in the end it all comes down to the numbers. If my numbers have zero chance of beating your numbers then strategy goes out the window. No strategy in the world can beat any member that has 2-4m cs advantage over you. So if winning wars is about strategy then bfe should be accounted for. To the ppl downing the idea of including it... If you are so good at strategy then you should have no problems coming up with a new strategy when matchups are straightened out and all aspects of a players strength are considered.
And at player above me. I only warred about 5 times this season, but I earned enough gold to buy a new SOS. I earned it in EE just like u did ur equips. Should it be considered into matchups? Or what if someone else ee'd and bought allies with their earnings. Does their bfa get to slide past matchmaking too because they earned it in EE??
Here is the essence of the problem with factoring in BFE into matchups; each clan only has a few clans in their size bracket that they can hit already, with BFA/size factored in. If you include BFE!? There would be TONS of no matches, because most clans do not have similar enough BFE with all the clans in their their size bracket to be matched against them; each clan would have 1-2 clans that they could EVER hit; which is boring as hell. And that is assuming that they have similar enough number to even hit each other; this would basically mean that 2 clans would have to communicate and monitor their number of member signups and such so that they can get a match at all; and even then, it will be against the same clan every time.
But here's the problem not factoring it in next season.... There are players with 300m plus bfe. 300m in static stats. U put exact same accts next to each other. One with no equip and one fully loaded. The acct that is fully loaded is an entire 6m cs bigger than the acct with no bfe. There is no possible way to overcome those kind of differences. No strategy u can come up will overcome that size disparity. So if any new player decides to join EE, gets trounced because of the bfe being such a huge factor, and decides not to join again because it's an impossible situation. Now u still only have the same clans warring with no new blood. Same problem u just described except in your theory u have NO WAY TO BRING IN NEW WARRIORS. so either way I guess u will be facing the same clans over and over. But if they include bfe then at least u will be fairly fighting builds that match your strength
good point mick. ill have 6 new pieces of equipment at end of season that folks that didnt ee this time wont get. if bfe isnt factored in to season 2 then those players who didnt war yet will be screwed. i for 1 didnt think of it like that.
To counter BFE add in the most powerful peace of equipment for each slot unequiping won't matter and it would be stupid to use weaker equipment simple!
Whuuuut?!?! BFE is not an exploit. It's dumb to say that it is. BUT on the other hand, it's stupid not to factor in BFE. What if someone decided to join Estoc games just right at this point in time (A)? Their size and bfa would be factored in against an opponent (B) with equal stats and bfa as well. But the opponent would have what? A 300m raw stat advantage over the guy who just joined EEs? Now match a clan of As and Bs against each other and see what happens. Just check my clan's win over eclipse, yeah sure our strategy was better and they had inactives, but Im pretty surre the 6t in bfa that their top guy had meant nothing against the 24t in BFE that our 8th guy had. (I count an HLBC att build ally as 650m and hlbc hansels as 800m btw) Another reason for counting BFE is because not doing so punishes the bigger players.Look at ZAFT Corp. and all those no matches, is it their fault that their BFA is huge? Should they drop allies just to get a match? It doesn't make sense. Equips are beneficial in all aspects of the game be it EBing or PvP. But if you're gonna make a regulated pvp which is sys war/EE wars, you might as well "REGULATE" them. Another argument
Knocks, you're forgetting the fact that pots add around 13m bta. That's over twice as much. So with your logic, pots and pot amounts should be taken into effect. Why pot amounts? What if you ran out of the last attack pot midwar? That's 1m bta down. And there is a way to overcome bfe and I have been talking about it. Bfp. Plain and simple. If you people want a fair match you may as well fight a mirror because there's no way you'll get an equal and balanced match without it. So before you go whining on about bfe, you should think of more things that effect power in this game(bonuses-reset, achievement, pro pack, clan, pots, sign up numbers, wallets, etc.). A pathetically small number like bfe(most players don't have strong bfe) shouldn't be included unless you include the other factors.
Pots can be bought/obtained cheaper. BFE is small amount? You have more BFE than BFA. Why is BFA counted? They work in the same way. Static boosts to RAW stats.
@jam. Pots shouldn't be included because pots can be purchased by a player. Bfe cannot. U are thinking about the here and now and not the future of EE wars. I sat out EE wars this season. So if I decide to join next season I should automatically be 100-200m bfe behind players who didn't? What about players who took a break and missed the season? Too bad for them or what? The argument to not include bfe is a very selfish one. But also it tells you exactly who actually earned their bfe through strategy and those who are afraid if they aren't whacking builds 2-4m cs smaller than them that they may not win wars.
Also most ppl saying bfe shouldn't be included has no understanding of how stats are calculated in KaW. A 6m/6m/200k/2m build with 75m bfe in each category is basically a 7.5m/7.5m/1.2m/3.5m cs build. So to say bfe is minuscule is silly. Bfe is a huge factor is determining someones actual strength and for builds that aren't t5 bc most times bfe accts for 25-30% or more of their builds strength. My bfe is dwarfed by the new EE equips bfe yet still is 25% of my total strength.
And it's the future of EE where that will really come into play. The effects of not including bfe are only being seen now towards the end of season 1 when everyone is getting around to having most equip. Next season and all following seasons the difference from bfe will become even more apparent. Like I said tho. Most ppl only think of the here and now and dont even think of the consequences of their decision tomorrow let alone a year from now.
I disagree after specific point my BFE will reach a maximal number and can't / won't be able to rise any higher. While others will still be able to gain equip/ upgrade to become closer to me. It really is an issue that solves it self and the idea of an equal playing field in all aspects is a joke.
Obviously it will never be 100% equal but why exclude something that does make a difference such as BFE? I don't item hunt by any means, all of my items happened out of sheer luck, I have not changed clans even once to obtain an item. Point being, not everyone has a goal to get every item and max it out, great for you if you do. I don't want yours taken away from you but it does need to be factored in to have any semblance to a "even" match.
It's cheaper because it's only temporary. Your logic: BFE > BTA (Most cases true) You say BFE should be included because it's stronger. Reality: BFP > BFE > BTA (Most cases true) So using your logic, BFP should also be included. To prevent it from being exploited simply lock purchases after match up, like every brilliant person who complains about an ally change during the war says. Also, if you want BFE so bad, join some epic battles. Throw some xtals @ Mautos. Unload and take a nap - easy as that. :lol: ORLY? I'm 100% sure you can buy bfe via The Alchemist. Yes, exactly. Too bad for the people who miss out on events when they quit kaw. Do you see me crying because I don't have the SW equipment? No. And too bad you didn't take advantage of participating in the wars. What you're saying here is a selfish and stupid suggestion. I can easily say the exact opposite and have an even better argument: So the players who decided to give up hours of their life and sums of their cash this season should be penalized because some idiot like you doesn't think ahead? :lol: :lol: OKay bud. Just shut up and drink your OJ. And you wanting to penalize the players who worked hard isn't selfish? Umm. I'd be more willing to agree if you weren't a hypocrite. Seems like you described your self perfectly. Next time think more down the road and participate more often. It's the people like you, the "here and now" peeps who don't get anything done for themselves in life and complain that it's "just not fair". :cry: :cry: :cry: I can keep on ranting about how people don't do anything for themselves and just cry, cry, cry all day.. but. /end rant
MlcKeYKnOcKS makes some god points. BFE must be included if the stated outcome is getting reasonable matches, not walk overs. No one is saying those people with the best equipment and levels of enchant did not work hard to get it (although some lb players I know stockpiled 2,000+ when it was periodically on sale before ee trials). What people are saying that if you want to match fairly it must be included. It is the single biggest factor affecting results bar none, assuming match on the other criteria is reasonable. Two clans equal in most other ways will almost always have the clan with far stronger BFA across the board win. Strategy will play a role but over the 2 hrs the stronger BFE will prevail. If u don’t want to include BFE then why bother trying hard to match on other factors, just draw them randomly out of a hat. BUT LET’S STOP PRETENDING THEY ARE FAIR MATCHES. And devs can account for BFE easily this locking equipment players have at matchup time or assume the best value equipment will be equipped. Some people change equip during ee wars but this is a really minor factor. On a separate note the threads on matching high prestige clans with high prestige clans also make sense, matching high prestige against low is likely to simply mean high gets higher and low gets lower. So let’s cut the crap, BFE mismatch is the single biggest factor determining results. Those with great BFE are either silent or suggest that BFE advantage should not be taken away. Well why the hell is BFA included? That has taken many people longer to build, I’m sure ZAFT and –RCA- would like that, and others would moan. So keep ignoring BFE and the strong get stronger which is what they want, and the others will never catch up. That’s fine but less and less people will war, and strategy will be even less of a factor next season. Far fewer people will put up with this constant mismatch potential and wasting time and money on crystals to battle clans with a complete suite of great rancor equipment.
so the hard-workers.. addict players.. old players.. strategic players are now being bombarded on complains by the guys who don't even try doing, t5, t6, t7, t8 ebs just to get their equips ready for war.. :lol: :lol: :lol: and maywaether is keep on complaining so he will not be matched up with pacquiao.. :lol: :lol: :lol: WHAT IF NBA HAS THIS RULES YOUR TALKING: (1990'S ERA) CHICAGO BULLS; NO MATCH.. FULLY EQUIP BECAUSE YOU HAVE JORDAN AND YOUR COACH IS VERY GOOD LAKERS; NO MATCH.. YOU MIGHT BE MATCHED UP WITH BULLS BUT YOUR THE ODD MANS OUT.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! THIS IS A GAME.. PLAYERS MUST THE 1 TO IMPROVE.. RISING HAWKS KEEPS ON IMPROVING THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP ON WINNING.. :twisted: SO SINCE YOU CANT DO IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR SELF YOU KEEP ON COMPLAINING.. OUTNUMBERED = COMPLAIN BFA = COMPLAIN GH = COMPLAIN TOWERED = COMPLAIN BFE = COMPLAIN NO MATCH = COMPLAIN LOST AND LOST AND LOST = COMPLAIN OR IT IS JUST MAKING STRATEGY AND IMPROVEMENTS MAY WE SAY NOW; COMPLAIN = NOOBS THINK WISELY :idea: :mrgreen: to add up; in world war 1 & 2 Germany and Japan don't complain because America has larger alliances but look at them now; they are the titans in terms of technology.. and they are not complaining.. :lol: