Yes. I was born heterosexual. Do you have scientific proof that I wasn't naturally born to bear child(ren) and rear young, which btw required the help of some form from the opposite gender.
I agree, to an extent. I also believe we are born with certain tendencies. A lesbian can still naturally bear a child. Your argument is invalid. Being homosexual doesn't mean you can't bear/have children Personally I believe it's a double standard. A heterosexual can be born that way. But a homosexual chose it. You can't have both. They're both sexualities.
I agree that sexual preference is indoctrination. The laws of nature dictate that women are born with specific functions, as are men. That fact cannot be argued away.
I can't have both? There you go again attempting to tell me what MY values should be. Where does it end?? What has to happen for your community to accept that it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN?
Please reread what I wrote. I'm not in any way telling you what your values you should be. Neither was I directing it solely at you, that was a general comment. You didn't seem to understand so I'll break it down slowly. A double standard is a rule/principle/theory etc. which is applied in different ways to different groups. Now consider this. We have some people (notice I'm not directing this specifically at you) who believe heterosexuality is how you are born. And there are some people who also believe homosexuality is a choice. Do you see the double standard? In one group, sexuality is part of you from birth. In the other group, it is a choice. Double standards aren't about values. Your beliefs don't line up. Don't get all up in arms about someone pointing that out.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a choice. I also don't believe anyone is "born" a particular orientation. There's no science (that I'm aware of) that proves that newborns are "wired" for one orientation or another. However, I do believe (based on peer-reviewed scientific studies) that sexuality is a learned behavior that forms over time.
Fair enough opinion. You're applying that to all sexuality though, which is my point. There can't be one process for one sexuality but another process for a different one. They're both sexualities.
Were getting too broad with this debate. Thats the problem with all debates, get hung up on the fine print. If you make it simple we can all agree . Should gay men and women be persecuted, harmed, or discriminated against in any way? No, absutely not. All people deserve protection and respect as long as they are peaceful. Now on the other side Should the straight community have this gay/trans gender issue forced down their throat at every angle? Should we HAVE to accept any gender using any bathrooms? Should we have to accept this gender neutrality being taught in our schools not as an elective and therefore by choice but as a mandatory class? Should we be called bigots if we do not support stores who refuse to sale boys/girls clothes or put boy/girl signs on their bathrooms? No I dont have to encourage my kid to be transgender. If they become that way on their own so be it. But why do i have to teach them about it or im automatically a bigot ? This street goes both ways. Most conservatives have no desire to assault your way of life, but when you start encroaching on ours we will fight back
You wanna preach double standards, I'd suggest you go back and review your own posts. Specifically where you posted that homosexuals weren't influenced by someone. You're contradicting yourself and I've never been a fan of going in circles on any topic. Back peddle or reiterate, I don't care. I'm losing brain cells trying to follow what you're saying. I'm done. You've already enlightened the masses in this game for whoever took the time to read this thread. So you just go do whatever you do and accept that not everyone is going to agree with you.
Y'all been using the bathroom with and been around trans people for years and years. And the only time you have had a problem with it is when you're told to have a problem with it. Transgender people are nothing new. The only thing that's new is the 'small government' crowd trying to get more government involvement in areas of our lives the government has no business in.
Whilst I'm still playing catch up- if no one has already said: @cheese, adult relationships of that kind with children has absolutely nothing to do with their sexual orientation, it has to do with when a child's body is developed enough to deal with the intricacies of an adult relationship. Yes people go through puberty at different ages, however the VAST majority have sufficiently gone through puberty enough by 16.
. Agreed most people have been in the restroom with someone thsts trans before, we could just do what we usually do if you look like a man use the men's room if you look like a women use the women's room. And if you a guy with a beard in a dress hold it till you get home.
That's the first I've heard the "body" argument, Rio. I'm not familiar with whether what you suggest is true, nor am I sure I want to familiarize myself with that. Most people make the argument that kids are impressionable and not fully psychologically developed enough to understand that they're entering into such a relationship. Yet many of those same people will say that kids are psychologically stable enough not to be influenced by homosexual education. It's quite an amusing double standard, if you ask me.
Wow im done.....so if a girl hits puberty at 12 (wich happens often) she's ready for an adult relationship bc her body is? Your are a sick piece of crap and this is the worst statement ive seen on forums
Do you read anything or do you just comprehend what you want? I've said several times that people are entitled to their own opinion. We don't all have to agree. Once again you have failed to acknowledge anything in my post and keep jumping down my throat instead and trying to make personal insults. When someone resorts to such tactics they've already lost the argument. Now, I'll address what you wrote. Please tell me what my double standards are? In my experience, sexuality is how your born. But I recognize, and have read articles about it, that it is possible to be influenced. I'm going off my own personal experience which tells me it is not a choice. I don't think there will ever be a conclusive answer. I don't pick and choose which sexualities that applies to like you have. Mine is not a double standard. Others say you're born heterosexual but homosexuality is a choice. That's a double standard because you're applying one rule to one sexuality but another rule to another. I pointed out your double standards. I can't break it down anymore than I already have. You failed to acknowledge your misaligned beliefs but come screeching into forums nonetheless.
It is quite a double standard, which is why (though it may ironically be valid) I'm not using it. Children are not physically strong or developed enough to have a sexual relationship with an adult, the laws were brought in to attempt to protect the ones that aren't developed enough. It's illegal not purely because of the moral implications but because of the physical and psychological damage that can be done to them. On the subject of sexuality.. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/homosexuality- ... ral-512252 That's an interesting read, I also read an article somewhere that said that some prominent scientist believed hunter groups in prehistoric human cultures had male-male interactions whilst out hunting.
You're the one stating that people are born how they are, and that being transgendered is wrong. Puberty is the natural human process to enable a child to be able to procreate. So technically yes, that's essentially EXACTLY what puberty indicates.
Fair points, War. You don't have to think homosexuality is right/wrong or whatever it may be. The problem arises when people start hating on others or getting violent or using it as an excuse to deny people their rights. I know many people who are against gay marriage but they also accept that the fact that it's something they're not comfortable with isn't enough to deny someone of something and encroach on their personal life. As for teaching in schools, I think we need to be teaching acceptance and tolerance. We need to be teaching people to be respectful and not judgemental. These are problems not of one specific community or type of person and it's not a problem directed to only one group, it's a problem that plagues the human species everywhere.
Dont think ive ever despised liberals more, or been more extremely proud to be a conservative than i am now. Lol Goodnight folks