DISCUSSION: A Society Without Gender

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Choccy, May 3, 2016.

  1. Equality on this? Who implemented this gender neutrality? Its insane!! What discrimination did it take of using the words girl n boy?! Those ppl who agreed on this are stupid+dumb+atheist+ ( cannot say its again tou)...
     
  2. How can a descriptive word be hateful?

    Perversion: A sexual practice or act considered abnormal or deviant.

    Wanting to be a gender other than your natural one is a perfect example of the word.
     
  3. Usually, each of us has 46 chromosomUsually, each of us has 46 chromosomes in every cell. We inherit our chromosomes from our parents, one set of 23 chromosomes from our mother and one set of 23 chromosomes from our father. So we have two sets of 23 chromosomes, or 23 pairs. The pairs of chromosomes are numbered according to size, starting with the largest chromosome, chromosome 1, through to chromosome 22. The remaining pair are called the sex chromosomes.

    Translocations occur when a part of a chromosome breaks off and then reattaches in the wrong place. They happen during the making of eggs and sperm, or shortly after an egg and sperm come together to make a baby (at conception). The mother and one X chromosome from her father. Males normally have an X and a Y chromosome (XY). A male inherits an X chromosome from his mother and a Y chromosome from his father.

    It is through this process that nature can make mistakes. With many genetic abnormalities possible.

    One such possible scenario is for part of an xx chromosome breaking off and reattaching. This means that the genetic make up for a female is all there.

    But the structure may assume male characteristics.

    And that's exactly where it gets messy. A boy may be born. But that boy may have a female brain. And even other complications.

    Boys born with wombs. Their is a myriad of issues of you care to dig into the subject.



    Now I realise it's easy to say if you have the lower front package you are male.

    But that's a fallacy. You are just as capable of having a female brain.

    The vast majority of trans people spend their entire lives running away from their feelings of not fitting in. They are fearful persecuted hated and despised. For something that was totally out of their control.

    These people don't choose to be born this way. They wish to god they were normal and had been born a normal gender.

    Their suicide rates reflect how extreme the struggle is for them.

    Even the process of transition basically requires them to live in a state where they will face much anguish for two years trying to fit in before they are allowed the surgery to help them actually fit in.

    But to some they are perverse just because they were born with a medical condition that

    1 most understand

    2 we have been taught to ridicule

    3 that most despise because it's not one of the two "normal genders"

    Telling aam with a woman's brain they are a man isn't going to work.

    Hating them solves what exactly ?

    Are you planning on sleeping with one? No I'd imagine not. Then it's not really ever going to affect your life is it.

    Btw. The drugs they take actually eliminates almost entirely their sexual drive. As such that's not a prime motivator. You'll find most even post op are asexual.

    So their is no perversion.

    What their is is a deep desire to look into a mirror and see the person that you know you are looking back at you.

    Something we take for granted.

    And if you treat these people that have birth defects with such contempt just because they don't meet your ideal.

    Then where do you draw the line?

    Which birth defects are acceptable.

    Which medical conditions are ok?

    Who deserves help.

    These people have real medical needs. Just as millions of others do. And yet would you hate a baby for being born with a limb missing?

    Or for having a birthmark?

    How about a baby born with a hole in their heart ?

    Who birth defects are acceptable. And how much suffering do people have to go through before they are allowed help?

    Maybe rather than thinking how badly it offends you. Think one day you could know someone in this position, you may even have a child with some birth defect. And then what. Do you hate them. Or fight like hell to get them every bit of help possible so they may live a happy comfortable safe life. es in every cell. We inherit our chromosomes from our parents, one set of 23 chromosomes from our mother and one set of 23 chromosomes from our father. So we have two sets of 23 chromosomes, or 23 pairs. The pairs of chromosomes are numbered according to size, starting with the largest chromosome, chromosome 1, through to chromosome 22. The remaining pair are called the sex chromosomes.

    Translocations occur when a part of a chromosome breaks off and then reattaches in the wrong place. They happen during the making of eggs and sperm, or shortly after an egg and sperm come together to make a baby (at conception). The mother and one X chromosome from her father. Males normally have an X and a Y chromosome (XY). A male inherits an X chromosome from his mother and a Y chromosome from his father.

    It is through this process that nature can make mistakes. With many genetic abnormalities possible.

    One such possible scenario is for part of an xx chromosome breaking off and reattaching. This means that the genetic make up for a female is all there.

    But the structure may assume male characteristics.

    And that's exactly where it gets messy. A boy may be born. But that boy may have a female brain. And even other complications.

    Boys born with wombs. Their is a myriad of issues of you care to dig into the subject.



    Now I realise it's easy to say if you have the lower front package you are male.

    But that's a fallacy. You are just as capable of having a female brain.

    The vast majority of trans people spend their entire lives running away from their feelings of not fitting in. They are fearful persecuted hated and despised. For something that was totally out of their control.

    These people don't choose to be born this way. They wish to god they were normal and had been born a normal gender.

    Their suicide rates reflect how extreme the struggle is for them.

    Even the process of transition basically requires them to live in a state where they will face much anguish for two years trying to fit in before they are allowed the surgery to help them actually fit in.

    But to some they are perverse just because they were born with a medical condition that

    1 most understand

    2 we have been taught to ridicule

    3 that most despise because it's not one of the two "normal genders"

    Telling aam with a woman's brain they are a man isn't going to work.

    Hating them solves what exactly ?

    Are you planning on sleeping with one? No I'd imagine not. Then it's not really ever going to affect your life is it.

    Btw. The drugs they take actually eliminates almost entirely their sexual drive. As such that's not a prime motivator. You'll find most even post op are asexual.

    So their is no perversion.

    What their is is a deep desire to look into a mirror and see the person that you know you are looking back at you.

    Something we take for granted.

    And if you treat these people that have birth defects with such contempt just because they don't meet your ideal.

    Then where do you draw the line?

    Which birth defects are acceptable.

    Which medical conditions are ok?

    Who deserves help.

    These people have real medical needs. Just as millions of others do. And yet would you hate a baby for being born with a limb missing?

    Or for having a birthmark?

    How about a baby born with a hole in their heart ?

    Who birth defects are acceptable. And how much suffering do people have to go through before they are allowed help?

    Maybe rather than thinking how badly it offends you. Think one day you could know someone in this position, you may even have a child with some birth defect. And then what. Do you hate them. Or fight like hell to get them every bit of help possible so they may live a happy comfortable safe life.
     
  4. It wouldn't be because society said so, it would be because I said so. I wouldn't let my kid go down that path.

    I don't believe that's possible. I don't know how people come to be perverted, I'm not a doctor, but if I had to guess, I'd guess it was because they had parents or friends that were a bit too permissive about their deviant behavior.


    Genetics decide your gender.

    Being gay isn't normal LOL. Generous estimates put the homosexual population at roughly 8%. Most sources put it closer to 1% - 2%. Either way, it's not normal, and you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise.

    Homosexuality and the idea that physical and psychological identity are unrelated is morally reprehensible.

    We would be better off as a society accepting homosexuality and transsexuality for what they are - abnormal psychological and physiological disorders.

    That doesn't make them bad people - they're just ill. Nothing wrong with being ill, but there is something wrong with being in denial about it.
     
  5. Like I said, this is an illness. I agree that people should be allowed to choose what they wanna do with their illness. Change behavior or cut open your body to suit your mind. Whatever the case, I don't agree with what others have asserted, which is that their illness is normal.

    This illness is way, WAY below the statistical threshold to be considered "normal," so I think recognizing that would be prudent.
     
  6. How is people who are atheist involved in this?you are stupid.
     
  7. Let people do what they want its their life not your they can be who they want to be why should you care?
     
  8. Support
     
  9. Chad,

    I care because I'm no longer allowed to hold an opinion or raise my kids the way I believe is morally correct.

    Sexual perversion has spilled over from the confines of a rights movement to shoving it down the necks of everyone else.

    No, I don't accept it as normal.
     
  10. Cheese please go and read some clinical research data before deciding a medical condition. Is a perversion.
    And as for if you had a child that did have the misfortune ( and yes I class any medical issue is unfortunate ) how would you not let them go down their path.
    Brain washing them?
    Denying them access to medical aid?
    How are you going to force anyone to believe what you want.
    You can teach them anything you like. Even how to be hateful towards others. But.
    You would if your child was born with such a condition be far more likely to drive them to suicide by rejecting who they feel they are than by helping them to get the medical aid they need.
    It's your pride that says you would act like that.
    And that's understandable. But trust me. When you have a child with any medical condition, all you want to do is any and everything you can to help them.
    You wouldn't be able to watch a child you love live a lie and suffer every day.
    Hopefully it's something none of us have to face in our own lives and circles we move in.
    But hating those and labelling them perverts.
    That's uncalled for.
     
  11. I'd suggest you do some reading of your own, such as the psychological constructs of the majority of homosexuals and what drives them, what was their social status in the home as children and also in school and among peers.
    Then read about how the lgbt community is its own social "cult", all inclusive unless you're straight. They've got special names for heterosexuals, which are anything but "nice". And to be honest, I've had first-hand experience with a few social circles of the lgbt community, and I can tell you from experience that it is nothing more than perversion. Any scientific studies done have not produced hard core proof that anyone is born the wrong gender.
     
  12. The trans gender I disagree I have read many convincing medical reports.
    The other topics of gay and bi les I had hinted at though did not refer to them directly as people with psychological issues which is a medical condition need medical help. Though not all lgbt have such disorders. I am certain that some members of the lgbt community act entirely inappropriately. It's normally those ones that grab the head lines and create such a negative public opinion.
    But there are far more straight people committing sexual crimes than the lgbt community.
    Condemning them all based on the actions of some is unreasonable.
    That would be like saying all white males are perverts and sexual predators, just because some have committed unacceptable crimes linked to gender that is against tou to state.
     
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  16. Noone gives a rats ass if you feel you should of been born a boy or a girl. Suck it up and appreciate what you have, that your alive.

    I'm pissed I wasn't born filthy rich and with a 10 inch rod. Does this mean I should be given these things? Or that I should suck it up and make the best.

    People are dying of hunger, of disease, of war. Kids who are innocent die.of disease given by their parents, young children witness their parents gunned down at a young age in war torn nations.
    There are actually babies who starve to death......


    And yall wanna rally for people who want to be the opposite gender? Wow
     
  17. You wouldn't let your child be who they are? Or you would so long as it fits in with your ideals? :roll:

    Wow. Just wow...you wouldn't LET your child? Making them feel more trapped and judged won't help the situation. Sure make them suppress who they are...I'm sure that'll work.


    It's not deviant behavior. It's not wrong. It doesn't come about because they were mislead as a child. They didn't decide they were born the wrong gender because someone in the playground told them so.

    I believe it's how they're born. We were fortunate to be born the right gender, physically and psychologically. But not everyone is so fortunate.


    Genetics decide your biological sex. It does not necessarily decide your gender.


    Homosexuality forms part of the minority in society. Simply because it occurs less frequently doesn't make it not normal. It's normal but something that occurs less frequently is my point.

    Now homosexuality is an ILLNESS? It's not a disease or a sickness. There's nothing wrong with not being straight. It doesn't make you ill. It doesn't mean you need to ne cured of it.
     

  18. I absolutely agree with the frustration i'm hearing in this post. Americans as a whole society have become so amazingly dysfunctional. We've become a torn nation. And those who feel they have to be "special" will never see beyond themselves to see the damage done. Let the yes-men paddle that boat right down the river of denial. Hope they don't lose an oar. 
     
  19. I agree with this, to an extent. And you've only furthered many peoples points here.

    Disease, war, starvation, homelessness etc. are something that effect society as a whole. It's something we can only solve by working together.

    Being transgender is a personal issue. It only effects the person it involves. Transitioning is not a decision made by the whole world, it is a decision made by and ONLY made by the person it involves. It has nothing to do with any of us.

    And that is the difference. The problems you listed are world wide problems in some cases. Transitioning has nothing to do with the world as a whole.

    Acceptance and tolerance is a world wide problem but that does not only apply to being transgender. See the difference?
     

  20. Ahh there you go I'm glad you posted that.

    It absolutely has nothing to do with me and I don't care if you won't to be male, female, goat or unicorn... I will never hender you...


    But the libs gotta put it in our face....always gotta make it a headline.....Now fighting for trannies to not only have their own bathroom (wich I'm fine with) they gotta push to be able to use whatever bathroom they want.lol


    That's the problem....Noone gives a rats ass what you do in your time, but the first she man that tries to walk into the bathroom behind my daughter or dress out at our local reck center in my baby girls locker room, will understand real quick why they shouldn't push some boudaries ;)

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with you pursuing your interests whatever they be as long it Dosnt effect another individual.

    Having to explain to my 9 year old why the lady in the bathroom has a big hairy man part does effect me greatly. Not to mention all the pedophile perv aspects this opens up