DISCUSSION: A Society Without Gender

That is a reference that only Id get... Youre a geek for saying that.

 

Single occupancy toilets arnt available in most public places. And besides I shouldn't have to go find another rest room bc you freaks wanna make the bathroom a gender party just so you can troll straight conservatives.

Dosnt matter though, at most you shemen and hewomen will get a trans gender restroom. You wont be able to go wherever you want unless you look enough to play the part.

You won't be seeing urinals in the ladies room. Sorry pervs

There's still a whole BUNCH of people like me who could give two crap about your feelings. Back in the closet for another 50 years trannies, you still disgust most of us

 

And yet I bet you jack off to them on your laptop lol.


Because someone is defending someone's rights doesn't make them the same as them, (because I'm defending transgendered doesn't make me one) we are not freaks, pervs, weirdos or anything else, just because we're defending someone else and advocating equality.

No one has suggested urinals in the ladies toilets.

No one has suggested men use the ladies toilets.

Edit: I love these keyboard warriors, 90% of you wouldn't dare say any of this stuff in front of your various significant others, you know you would more than likely just get a slap.

 

Or maybe I can throw all the tantrums I want until I get my reasonable expectation of safety and comfort amongst peers of my own likeness in a public restroom returned to me in all public venues. Whining worked for the opposing party...didn't it!?

 

You could do that sure.



I'm curious though, how do you know you are doing that? For all you know guys dressed as girls could be there all the time.

There are some extremely feminine looking men out there.

 

Bruce Jenner STILL doesn't look exactly female. And if any guy could pull it off that well, and try to pass himself off as a natural born female in a dating scenario, would amount to the most unforgivable lie ever. In fact, I would view that as predatory behavior.

 

When I had my child recently, the one thing I have been told repeatedly by my family is "raising kids must be different these days". My thoughts to that is, you bet your ass it is.

My grandfather looks in horror as I let my child play on my iPad. To him it's unreasonable to allow my child to play with it, he asks me what she can possibly learn from it. What a silly person I must be to want my child to know how to use the technology that is going to be a huge part of her life in the future.
My mother tells me that wearing a baby in a sling was not done when she had babies. How silly of me to use such a method that allowed my baby to calm down and rest peacefully while I went about my day to day activities. There are so many more incidents and conversations like that, that I can not be bothered to relate, but u get my gist.

The world is changing, and whether you like it or not, it will evolve. You can go into this world with ignorance and seeing difference as unacceptable. You can scream, rant, and cry about being different from the norm is wrong.. Different is not wrong, we are all different. If I chose to have more children, they would all be different from each other. That doesn't mean I should or would love them any less or more than the others.

The discussion about children being preyed upon in bathrooms by transgendered people is a little absurd, the fact a person is transgendered does not make them a criminal with designs on our children and most parents take their children into the bathrooms anyway, or wait close to the amenities to ensure their safety. We all know the world isn't perfect and we take precautions to keep our children safe. To say that you don't want transgendered people using the same bathroom because it makes you feel uncomfortable, I hate to break it to you but you most likely already have at one point or another.

 

Adore, I've always had mad respect for you. I've never felt the need to try to impress you, you're just cool with everyone. I know I can have a two-party conversation with you and nobody feels like they weren't heard.

Here's the thing about this topic.

I accept that change is inevitable. That doesn't mean we are all required to accept it. Some of us are still willing to buck the system if we don't like the change that's happening. If it's alright for one party, it's fine for all. As of right now, there is no law dictating how we should think, act or feel. And I for one refuse to be told by anyone what I will and won't accept, or what I should think or feel about anything. I trust my gut instincts.

That doesn't mean that I'm against other people living the lives they want to live. I honestly don't care if someone is straight or gay.

If people want to be gay, then be gay. I don't have to agree, disagree, like or dislike it. That's my right and I will defend it. I don't have to believe all the hype about people being born the wrong gender, and that's my right also.

 

Seren you know I love ya and have always had an awesome time talking with you and I have mad respect for you.
All I am saying is things will change. The world our kids grow up in will be nothing like the world we knew. Gay, straight, trans or whatever, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

It breaks my heart to hear your child had to endure such a horrible threat, and it does speak volumes to your parenting that you got him through it. Thank god you were able to help him. The monster who tried to take advantage of your child was exactly that. A monster. If we were advocating to get rid of all the predatory monsters out there, I would join that line of reasoning whole heartedly. This is coming from someone who struggles with the idea of Capitol punishment.

 

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Can I throw a hissy fit to keep all the registered offenders, gays and bi's and predators and child traffickers out of men's public toilets too.

Can my wife do the same as they make her feel her uncomfortable since a lesbian made advances on her, was rejected obviously and then harassed her. As such as a player has stated she is bi. My wife would feel uncomfortable knowing she or any lesbian/ bi were using the same restroom.


But then not every man or woman is a sexual predator, pervert or any other label you wish to say. And everyone has the right to use a toilet.

So the safest option as I want none of the above actual criminals near my kids,is single occupancy.

But we have allegedly got a society where people are innocent until proven guilty.
So how do we separate who uses what bathroom when?

And will you stop implying I am asking for men to be allowed into ladies restrooms.
I have stated that's not the case.
I have stated that people who are legally recognised as female and that does include women who because of a valid medical condition have had to have their gender surgically altered to match their female brain.
Sorry but they are legally women, they have equal rights. Be allowed to use a toilet.

Pre op should not be allowed to use ladies facilities due to the fact they cannot be legally registered as women until after surgery.

That's where disabled toilets that are for people with medical needs would be more appropriate.

Also the medication they take pretty much reduces their ability for sexual desire to next to nothing. And forcing post op trans into male bathrooms places them at very high risk of sexual assault.

So denying an issue exists won't make it go away.
Hating people because they were born with a medical condition is unacceptable.

It's not just about your rights. It's about everyone's.

And as such you have two choices as a society. Make future preparation and provide extra facilities.
Or just bicker for life.

Not one specific gender is at fault.
No one chooses how they are born.
And as a medical researcher I for one cannot stand seeing so much hatred directed at any group of victims of medical conditions.

But anyway this topic is going around in circles now and has mainly devolved to petty name calling so I am leaving the thread.
Hopefully some people will consider the medical needs of others as well as their own needs and desires.
Certainly a solution needs to occur for a relatively small problem that could be easily solved over time, even if just by using interim measures that I have suggested.

If the facilities don't exist. Then like the UK had to. Make the change. An extra single occupancy toilet even if labeled as disabled ( for medical needs ) should be mandatory in any business or civic building anyway.
If not that's yet another group of people with medical issues not relevant to this thread that are discriminated against.

 

Funny how OP continually lurks this thread and has nothing to say. :lol:

 

So, gender is actually about social constructs, i.e., what society wants/forces/expects you to do based on your genetic differences.

Don't tell me gender bias does not exist, in 1910 in most parts of the world women could not vote. Most countries in the world have not yet had a woman President/Prime Minister, etc.

So ... not really. I would have the same chance of success of doing that if I tried to self-identify as Tom Brady and walk on the training field.
Self-identification is not something you do for 1 hour a day and the law takes that into account. Trust me if you are transgender, it is much riskier for you to walk into a men's washroom than it is for a woman to pee beside a transgender person. The fact you do not see this is a real issue.

Ultimately gender is about recognizing that most of our social relationships are shaped by power relations, many of these power relations are so ingrained that we fail to even see them, we do not challenge them or reflect on them.
Naming those power relations is the first step in challenging them.

 

What does this have to do with gender neutrality? It's sexual harassment.
Sexual orientation or use of toilets have nothing to do with this. I work with bi and gay people and many of them never made an advance and those who did behaved in an adult way when I turned them down.

I am sorry for your wife's horrible experience, and I hope the person in question was punished, but let's not confuse things.

 

Hello, I identify as an Apache Attack Helicopter.

 

Read the whole thread, it has come up several times. As for this particular comment it makes sense in the context in which it was used. Someone was saying they feel uncomfortable sharing the same bathroom with certain people so Optimal just used theat example. His point was being uncomfortable with someone doesn't mean you can deny them their right.

Sexual orientation has come up because people were arguing, hypothetically, a man can dress up as a woman and enter the ladies bathroom and proceed to sexually assault someone. Following on from that, the argument was made, what about gay males and lesbians? Don't they pose a risk too?

 

You'd better protect your brain cell. It has to last you a lifetime.

 

So if I use an incorrect argument often enough it will become correct?

 

Ummm no. I wasn't saying I agree with it or not. I was simply explainng why that comment had come up in the thread. Just a further explanation. Nothing more, nothing less :roll: