I keep on reading this one alleged argument that letting transgendered people use bathrooms will lead to allowing "joe the pervert" to enter into a woman's restroom and expose himself or something (despite no evidence of this). Has anyone considered that maybe Joe the pervert, who doesn't feel morally bound not to expose himself to women, likely doesn't care about a social convention under which he should refrain from following a woman into the woman's restroom? There is nothing stopping him now, whether or not transgendered people are allowed in bathrooms. It appears there is absolutely no connection with the alleged problem some here claim they want to prevent, and the course of action they advocate.
I dont care how you spin it, twist it, shape it, or explain it. I dont want a man in the same bathroom as me period, and it is my right to have it that way. End of discussion as far as im concerned.
As of right now if you look like a man you are not allowed in womens restroom so actually thats not their "right" and it will stay that way
I agree there are some people that I would not want to share a restroom with. It's a good thing I have a right to leave and find another restroom if whatever personal issues I have are that strong and uncontrollable.
News flash hun i am bi,, this isnt about sexuality its about me being uncomfortable doing the very private act of using the bahroom with men around, its my right to use the restroom with my same gender.
Lol ty, ya im not worried about some creep trying to assault me in the restroom, this can happen with or without both gender bathrooms. I can punch a man in the face and yell for help just as easly as i can a woman. Lol I fully support trans genders this is just about boundaries, some lines have to remain.
You do realise the majority on this thread arguing against tolerance, actually equally consider you as morally corrupt and abhorrent as you are implying others are. You are bi, potentially sexually attracted to other females and yet have the right to use the same bathroom as other girls of various ages. How is that not hypocritical? Do they not have the same right you demand to feel comfortable in the toilet? Knowing that there is no one in there that may or may not be sexually attracted to them. But I guess another one who is one rule for them another for me. Why give rights to people that are legally recognised as a specific gender. A transexual woman has to live years in the wrong body, knowing their entire lives they have something wrong. They have to fight harder than most for medical treatment and legal recognition, just to be allowed to be themselves. And they are hated every step of the way. And yet you hate them, for exactly the same discomfort you would cause someone that knew of your sexual orientation? Just how do people justify hatred these days. What affects themselves without a concern for the torment they cause others. No wonder the worlds gone to crap.
That sounds fair. You have every right to not allow anyone in your individual bathroom stall. That seems a good solid line that everyone can respect.
Nothing in my post had anything to do with hatred or intolerance. I can say id rather not use the bathroom with men without being labled as hating. Actually from reading these pages your the one that keeps bringing up hate and perversion. Sound like a personal issue you have. I have went to the restroom with women my entire life, of course im more comfortable with that. No im not comfortable sharing restrooms with men, and i wont be labled for that Point out one word in my post that implied anyone was "morally corrupt".... Youve been doing this the entire thread, twisting peoples words and putting words in their mouth. Are you incapable of reading or more likely just trying to demonize everyone who dosnt agree with you
Lol dont twist it. I not only have the right to not allow anyone in my personal stall i have the right to not share my bathroom with men. If your gonna agree with me dont do it passive aggressively
funny the don't twist my words to king calm and then try to twist mine. Maybe you should read a lot more posts from the beginning. And as for calm saying not in the same stall. Quite right. That's why we have individual toilets one occupant only allowed ( yes there are family ones for parents nappies don't change themselves after all and disabled too ) Simple solution and everyone's sorted. Now southern what you don't make clear is if you are classing trans as men or males that are legally male. Said it before but as you obviously didn't read it. I don't think any one ( sane at least ) is expecting men to be allowed into ladies toilets. But if you are classing trans women as men then there is your hatred. And I'm sorry that you cannot see the discomfort you would cause others, is just as much an invasion of their privacy and rights as that you think others would cause you. Nice little attempt to insult though.
I didn't twist anything. I found a workable agreement and compromise that avoids discrimination and curtailing other people's rights while respecting yours. You don't have the right to make final decisions regarding other people's restroom rights. Perhaps you may also decide you have a right not to share a restroom with muslims, christians, asians, or africans. Maybe those are your "boundaries" and your "line" that you think everyone should respect. If you feel uncomfortable, you can close your stall door, or even go to another restroom. If there's a real problem, you call for help or defend yourself, just as you would in any other situation.
Gender neutrality amounts to the castration of Western society. Real men roaming the steppes will gather at our gates and tame the matriarchate.
How much simpler can anyone explain it except to say that THE DECISION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SHARING A BATHROOM WITH (x, y or z). Yet you've all got the nerve to accuse any of us who are against this movement of denying you "your rights"! You've ALREADY DENIED US OURS in public restrooms.