deflate gate. American grid iron talk

Discussion in 'Other KaW Discussion' started by Moose2, Jan 23, 2015.

  1. You assume.

    Your whole logic is assumption. I really don't care if any team defates their footballs a little. But how is it that the entire country assumes Tom Brady is lying?

    I don't care what the 99% of haters think. Of course they'll accuse him of lying.

    I laugh. It definitely will not be solved unless someone has photographic evidence, or if someone comes forward.

    Until then, it's alllll speculation. And the league, who checked the balls before and during the game, will need to inspect all balls going forward.

    I'd be surprised, after reading all of the science on this, that they will not find that science is true.

    The refs handle the ball after every play. If there was a massive loss in pressure, that Tom can DEFINITELY feel...how come the refs can't?

    They are in fact the judge and jury of the NFL, yes?
     
  2. its not ALL speculation, willeh. we know some things. we know the ravens tipped off the colts and the nfl. we know the balls were deflated. we know the balls were properly inflated when they were checked before the game. we know that the balls weren't under inflated due to the weather. we know brady claimed to like under inflated balls, despite now saying that he can't tell the difference between an under inflated ball and a fully inflated one. we know brady claimed to not know who handles the balls after they are inspected, despite others saying that a qb not knowing the equipment staff is ...highly unlikely.

    see? we know lots of things = not all speculation.
     
  3. again a lot of what you say is speculation.
     
  4. no...those are all facts. do you not know the difference between "speculation" and "facts"? :?
     
  5. "We know the balls weren't underinflated due to the weather"


    False.


    We don't know that. That is speculation.
     
  6. Although highly unlikely it would deflate 2.2psi.
     
  7. no, willy. i'm sorry. science says you are wrong on that. it is provable that the drop in temperature was not nearly enough to put the balls that far under regulation psi.
     
  8. Physics teachers calculated it and they got 2.2 psi.
     
  9. what "physic teachers"? where? names?

    the math has been done, i showed you the formula to do it yourself. going from room temperature to 48degrees is only enough to drop it by 1.2psi, at most. to drop it down to the point the balls were found, the temperature would have had to go down to 20degrees or been tested originally at 88degrees.

    IF the patriots stored the balls in a room THAT hot, then why were the 12 back up balls not found to be underinflated? do the pats keep a special "hot" room inflate their game balls, and a normal room for the back ups?
     
  10. As your name suggests your a waste of words.
     
  11. wow. either come at me with a logical argument, or go cry yourself to sleep. using my own name against me, for the EXACT reason i use this name (because i argue with "facts" against "beliefs", with predictable results), is just an epic fail.
     
  12. A Massachusetts Institute of Technology postdoctoral associate agreed with Naughton’s calculations and even sent the Boston Herald a formula that predicted a change of 1.78 psi by halftime if the balls were filled at room temperature. The temperature on the Gillette Stadium field at kickoff was about 45 degrees.

    “If the ball was sitting outside in the cold for an hour,” he said, “it is likely that the temperature of the air inside the ball would end up being the same temperature as the air outside of the ball — and if that is the case, you would see between a 1.5 and a 1.6 difference in PSI.”

    The big questions that still need to be answered, Naughton said, are at what temperature were the balls pressurized and what was the exact temp at field level during the game.

    “A report came out with, unfortunately, an insufficient amount of useful information,” Naughton said. “If 11 of 12 footballs were deflated by 2 pounds, that is totally within the realm of the numbers that you would get in this equation.”

    SOURCE: Boston Herald
     
  13. temp at kick off was 51 degrees...
     
  14. You totally solved the case right there bro.
     
  15. sorry that your expert was so easily discredited. :cry:
     
  16. oh a side note, i think i have a working theory that ...well it still means they cheated, but its clever.

    IF they inflated the balls in a sauna, they could inflate the balls to regulation; and then simply let nature take its course. the hot, moist air would condense far more than room temperature air would.

    if that were the case, that means that they DID inflate the balls properly...without inflating the balls properly. i actually think that may be their best defense.
     
  17. Some teams actually boil the ball and put it in a dryer - which is legal.

    Maybe the Patriots coal fired the ball and the cooling was much more rapid at 51 degrees.


    Either way. The balls will be monitored next Sunday when New England demolishes Seattle, and all questions on how a deflated ball effects the Patriots will be answered.
     
  18. I say it matters very little because the Seahawks are going tonwin anyway.
     
  19. I say farm the mods until they inflate your balls.
     
  20. it is entirely legal to condition the leather. so...i don't see how that is relevant.


    and here is the thing that pats fans aren't getting: most of the rest of the country thinks all of the patriots wins since 2001 are tainted. and people will hate the patriots even more; because belichick's legacy has tainted the biggest sporting event in the country. winning isn't going to put anything to rest. nothing will; at this point. belichick's patriots will always be remembered as the team that won by cheating. (not talking about the colts game. pats v ravens 35-31 - the ravens noticed the under inflated balls and reported it to the NFL)