To the kraven buffoon. Please explain how this change engenders any sustainability or longevity. There's is no incentive to accumulate allies. There's not really any incentive to increase build size. Seems all the cool kids just need a GH. It will earn more than my build in both haunting and EE. We can pretend that BFE doesn't exist; sure as hell that's what the devs are doing. Basically not incentive to be anything but small and mediocre. Yeah, that's a recipe for success. Moron.
Kraven, My ko's are down to clan and personal tactics. My plunder sucked lol 11m off a target? ZAFT doesn't war as individuals in ee wars. I've played long time. I've seen drastic changes before but NEVER with such far reaching conveniences at this will have nor a change that has provoked such a large percentage of kaw to unite, with so many enemies in kaw now openly discussing this issue... Seems the enemy of my enemy is my friend lol I won't drop allies what point is having lots of gold in pots or bars? I've got an alt at most levels but its the future and lack of any challenge that will now dictate kaws challenge for myself and many players. For me no challenge to grow and kaw becomes pointless. From day 1 we are taught GROW GROW get stronger through allies and trading and opening lands. There's more changes due soon to kaw which will only effect this game update more and only impact this change greater if rumours are correct. The desire to grow regardless of lb rank is for many the goal and driving force behind kaw the never ending kaw escalator. Changes before have put people off and some quit or just accept cos deep down the fundamental goal to kaw remained - grow fast and strong to improve in this game if you want to really do well. Now this update says: GROW GROW get stronger through allies and open land. Get to hlbc, one ally for mp then stop. If you whack eb buy pots cos u buy allies u actually gotta earn less when you whack. Keep it lean and mean Watch the trading market fall bro. Watch a large percentage of players leave or go inactive.. Already most lb players are not ee'ing in disgust. Kaw has always been the haves and have nots. Some pay to play some dont. Devs just annoyed and alienated not only the paying customers but anyone past hlbc with a BFA who enjoyed watching themselves slowly grow stronger. Rather then concerning yourself with pure maths look at all the aspects to kaw and see how one change effects other parts. T5 killed ally market for several months for example. Now step back and look at this brand new kaw cos it is totally rewritten in one code change - no point in growing past hlbc no point in whacking eb apart from pots. Lets all chat in cc around a virtual campfire lol. Don't waste crystals on ebs once your hlbc or at a stage u wanna stay at. Same applies to points. Items? Well whack ebs for those sure. Ee for Mith and items till devs change those too. If you don't need to grow what good is kaw gold once your got to a size you wanna stay? So don't trade and do minimal activity for your clan to not kick you. Have your alt be your only 28b ally. In a strip war if they still exist, ally can serve as a reset bomb. If you or others regardless of size can't see the much larger and far reaching consequences of this update then that worries me more then this update lol This update removes people's desire to aspire to grow and achieve something past a certain point. The ways to get to that point then will become redundant.
Giskard, You think that because you earn less of kingdoms weaker than you, there is no incentive? Ask yourself what the incentive of BFA was before. I find it hard to believe that there is no incentive now. ...the incentive is still there. Rankings. Strength.
I don't really do forums but for this one ill make an exception..... BFA has been under attack since early this year: The original EE wars right at the start were ok then we started seeing dynamics within the war that eliminated the DTS piece and incredibly complex clan matching algorithms made in the name of "fairness" that made it very hard to participate if you were on the ally LB. These very same dynamics led to the rise of the ultimate build: the guild hansel. This was a pretty big issue because EE wars have become nearly all consuming due to the equipment on offer and the fact that BFE is not considered in the same way as BFA. Now we have BFA nerfing in some EE war tests and lastly this change which means that the BFE equipped hansel can now dominate in nearly all forms of the game. As an example, I made a guild hansel for the last EE wars with 50bn allies (took just under 2 weeks) because I had difficulty participating with this account. I had a decent success and now have close to max BFE. With this hansel account I can reliably hit into the ally LB top 100 and am now making enormous gold. There is no reason now to progress past the LC guild hansel +50bn allies, and absolutely no reason to buy NOBs except for the occasional name change or WC speakers. I run a couple of companies on the West Coast and would expect significant numbers to be fired with this type of commercial suicide. Belle makes the point well come up this some alternatives, which is fair, so heres mine to be trolled at by the guild hansels out there: 1. Reverse this dynamic ASAP or build BFE into it (prefer the former) 2. EE matchups use prestige as the core matchup variable with current participant number caps retained. Yes, you will get some shocking matchups early on, but as the prestige matures good clans will be matched with good clans and statistically the rest evens out. As prestige can be maintained from the first set of wars much of this early clan sorting has happened. 3. Raise the plunder cap from allies and smoothen the plunder progression out so the cap isn't 24bn but maybe 50T. Of course be careful the top amount isn't outrageous. 4. Introduce a DTS threshold back into EE wars. It could be more relaxed than the non EE threshold and will encourage account growth Ultimately this is a war game, and war isn't fair.....It is odd to see an American company sacrificing players who have worked hard and invested significantly to achieve big LB accounts, to then see this meritocracy abandoned for some sort of Orwellian communism, where everyone is now equal regardless of effort except the guild hansel which is more equal than the others....
That's nonsense Jam. Ranking is important to perhaps the top couple of hundred players. However, thousands still have a trillion or three in allies because its advantageous to have them. Now, as I accumulate, I will see my income go down in both structured and unstructured wars. Sure, I should choose a bigger opponent. But in EE I may not have the choice. So instead, I get penalised for having allies. Meanwhile, smaller builds than me, but with BFE that gives them greater strength than me, clean up in plunder. Seems growing is now pointless as well. My build is significantly larger than a GH and has required loads more work to create. Yet, I'll be consistently out earned by my GH. Now, some ass hat GH that built their kingdom in a week, with 1 ally and insane BFE will remind us that we all have choice and to adapt, blah blah blah. But here the kicker. The whole point of this game is predicated on growth. It's like any normal economy. It needs constant stimulation. If every git stops at GH with a 25m ally. This game will fall in on itself. EE, with maybe 1200 participants isn't gonna even come close to scratching the itch. Think about it. When the growth stops, the game dies.
Defiant, you hit the nail on the head. It makes me sad that you can see something the games creators seem oblivious to.
Wyth, can you know see why I Pm'd you weeks ago near begging you to get your friends to voice concern about the nerfing of BFA?
Farming pure spies will be useless aswell, same as hitting hansels(if you're attack build ofc) because I don't think most hansels gather a lot in allies, but attack/tower builds do.... Seriously this was the west change ever...: And to this butthurt idiot the page before: Read what the people with a well trained brain wrote, wont explain it to you aswell
WyTheN, You're mistaken. The developers are trying to encourage players to hit stronger players. BFA isn't 'under attack'. You're saying that the "recent" removal of the DTS system is the developers way of showing LB players the finger. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. There has never been a DTS in system wars. Also, if I'm not mistaken, you're saying that the developers making an algorithm to make fair matches is another way of targeting BFA. How would you like it to be a clan ranked in the 500s faced with a top 10 clan? If they didn't include BFA in the match ups, there would be enormously lop sided matches. Another thing, BFA nerfing in EE isn't happening. If you read the update, they said that they tested it and didn't get results that they hoped for. They cancelled it. No BFA nerfing. I also don't agree with your second suggestion. How boring would the clan LB be to see the same clans on prestige and strength? Pretty boring. Your third point, - insert rich get richer rant - Your last point, put dts back into EE? It was never in there, and no thank you. You would be limited to hitting the players in your range. If you actually participated in these events, you would understand how vital it is that people take out larger players when they're sitting on your large players. It would be chaos, and I imagine a load of players would give up on the system. Giskard, Maybe you should invest in towers, pots, bfe, or possibly even more BFA. If much smaller players than you are breaking through your defense, then you should reconsider your build or approach. And I'm sure you have heard of that saying 'You always have a choice'. You don't have to be pounding on a 1m cs GH. Let your GHs take care of that. They will get x20 the plunder you get from them. And one of the main bfe complainers I see, honey station.. What's that thing they say? Oh yeah, like bfe, BFA is still just as good outside EE. You defend hits from newbs, become dts, gain rankings, get more cash on ebs(i've heard at a certain point, you actually earn less), etc. And you're right, growth won't stop for a while though, BFA. (Remember?)
Giskard you under achieving moron who only cries and has never done anything in this game... drop allies if you think having big bfa is such a disadvantage...it's that simple you loser... hope i look cool as cool as you do now calling people names in an iphone fourm for 7+ year olds. Why don't you put your oversize head to use and add something of intelligence for a change you whiny ass. Defiant, LOL mate, why did you grow so large in the first place? For someone who is so concerned with how many people you can plunder well off of, you seem to care nothing at all about how fair is it that there are maybe 50 people in the game that can actually contend with you. So if you want everything even for everyone, why not drop allies so that you can actually play fairly with the majority of the players that play this game instead of the .01% that make up lb? Is it our fault that all you LBers buddy up and belong to a select few families in the game? When is the last time you had a farm that was truly your size? I bet if you had another player that was your size, they pay you just fine don't they? You're in the major leagues bub. Start playing major league ball. Why are all you major leaguers(lber) so concerned with what you make off a minor leaguer(small ass kingdom)? I'm guess you're close to triple digit trillions in allies aren't you. And what you make attacking another player who is fraction of your size isn't even a dent in that. Furthermore a normal player has no chance in hell of ever catching you unless they too spend thousands. Lets get real, LB put hard work into buying accounts, volley transfers, and nobs. Oh how their hard work is so tarnished now. Anyone can drop thousands and make it to lb. Doesn't take any effort in game to do that, please find a better excuse than this. You wanted to be insanely overpowering right, nobody forced it on you. So you must have had a reason to get so big? To play with the big boys? Or to dominate the weak and show your might? I'm guess the latter of the two, otherwise you wouldn't be complaining about what you make because you would be hitting players that are your size, which would pay you just fine.
I must add seeing all these LBers whining about BFE is too funny. Even the best equipment out there converted over into BFA wouldn't come close to making ally lb. Hell it wouldn't make top 200 ally lb. So much butthurt, so little butthurt cream
Kraven, I've been civil and explained my opinions and from nearly 3 years of players. I'm not and don't get butt hurt over kaw. I've explained why dropping allies for anyone with large BFA is pointless. I've also tried to give you an informed opinion from my perspective constructively from close to 3 years of playing daily with multiple accounts. If ya wanna take pot shots at me due to my size or clan then so be it bro. We all know where that would lead
A few other tests: -Target which paid me 27m before, now pays 400k (hansel) - Target which paid me 29m before, now pays me 1.9m (attack) - Target which paid me 32m before, now pays me 19m (attack bld) Last 2 builds were strong enough to loose me more of my troops (80% n 50% chance to succeed) If anyone of these builds will hit me with all pots) they get around 50-80 m. After paying developpers for thousands crystals and nobility points you changed it in the way that there is no point to play it anymore. Thank you developpers for telling me that now.
You must be getting old kraven. Your other accounts are normally much more eloquent. You still haven't explained why this change is such a good thing. Enlighten us oh wise one.
Jam You miss the point by being distracted by detail. I'm sure you are right in the mechanics history, however my proposals stand. (Please work on your population statistics re the match piece). The MAIN issue as is that I could make the currently dominant build (guild hansel) in under 2 weeks and now be successful in every form of the game. There is no need to grow, buy nobs etc past this point. THIS CANNOT BE SUSTAINABLE. I note of course you are a guild hansel We all have vested interest here, however such a massive detrimental change in dynamics has to be recognised both in and out of system wars. Kraven. I see you are also a guild hansel. If the much telegraphed GH nerf comes, we'll all enjoy denigrating your reasoned argument by labelling it "butthurt". Ill lend you my cream.
Def, As a player who has also been here nealy 4 years, I'm aware of what you speak of. If it's easier for you, just call me proph. These aren't stabs. They are valid points. Nobody forced all the lbers to join a select couple of clans. You all did that on your own, creating a monopoly in which you control the game and what happens in it, leading to you having nobody your size to fight. So because of this, the normal player should be punished because the biggers ones have all teamed up? T5 did kill ally market. that was the whole point of t5, suck gold out of the game. But in the long run it has cause an even worse state in the inflation of the market. T5 cost a lot of gold to build, but once built, they make a lot more gold. The ally market now is far worse than it's ever been. So you just want to continued stockpiling gold in hope of more lands or the next tier? What does that solve? The more land, the bigger the tiers, the more gold pushed into this, the less the game has a chance of surviving. If you can't understand why, I'll gladly explain, let me know. You can still hit ebs and make more gold than you can hitting someone your size. You can still hit battle list and make good gold of the players there because they are your size. You're still so large that if someone decides to get brody on you, you can easily swat them down like the fly they are. The only issue of which you may have is in EE, when you don't have a target on the other side that is close to your size to make good plunder off of. Now this is an issues, however this update isn't the cause of this issues, the screwed match up system is. If match up system is done properly, then any clan you face should have at least one or two people that you can plunder the hell out of. So really, unless your thing is just beating on those much much weaker than you, I don't see why you're so upset about this change. This game has no end. There is no "YOU BEAT THE GAME" pop up. Name another game that has no end in sight and unlimited potential for "growth". ATA wasn't founded to be a gaming company. They are a chat service company that got lucky in incorporating their understanding of chats into a gaming type system. They are just now starting to understand what it means to be gaming developers and what it takes to make a game that will excel because of the content within the game, not because the community has a tight knit bond with one another(due largely because how well ATA understands chatting services). Wythen, look again, I own not one single guild on this account, and this account is nothing more than a pot burning spy. I have accounts of all sizes big and small. I'd looking into lasik. I'm actually all about reforms against Gansels...so yeah go on with your bad yourself furthermore let me point something out... Everyone here crying go look on your battle list. See all those players there, they will all pay you very well. As this game continues, those people on your battle list will also grow just as you are. the only reason why Growth wouldn't matter anymore would be if everyone in kaw decided to stop growth all together. Until then, you're just looking for something to cry about.