I do understand, Station. So when you have 0 troops, you BFE amounts to an amazing 0% bonus, right? Well, read what I said at the end. Picture this scene. •3 minutes left. •Classic KO war. •Everyone on your team coming up in 1 minute. •Entire enemies team has full troops. •Score is 4,500,000,000 theirs vs your 4,200,000,000. Normally you'd all be up and plunder off them and KO them, giving you a chance to win the war. Now, though, guess what's going to happen when everyone on your team comes up with a plus 15% BFE bonus CS? They all have full troops plus 100% BFE bonus CS. You all get up. Everyone on your team fails their attacks, while they succeed and easily KO you. Final score is a one billion Plunder difference. Do you see how scaling the BFE would affect wars? Everyone who wars knows about those last few minutes when your job is to SKO as quickly as possible - troops first. Now guess what's going to happen? You will NEVER have that chance. Whoever is towered, and gets domination at the beginning of the war will win. No question about it. They'll all have full troops at the end of the war when you barely have three regen's worth. Your only hope is to xtal. But by then it'll probably be too late. And even if you do xtal, you don't have a definite chance of succeeding. Then when they all SKO'd or were KO'd, you have all expended most of your xtal doing that. They retaliate with an xtal, and GAME OVER. Scaling BFE is a TERRIBLE idea. It won't only affect SH's. it will affect every build of every type, unless you have towers and Allies.
@cantonese why should I upgrade now though? SH is the prime build for ee other than tanks! Unless they fix plunder on SH, things will be the same. "Oh the next ee build will be all lvl 1 volaries" I dont think You will pay like crap with 25 volaries even though they are lvl 1. You'll pay more like a mid
Also, the best thing about the SH exploit is that it allows smaller players to take part in war. Yes, you're all fuming at them. But guess what? If you're not a large player, you can barely to anything. You can't get into good clans with 10mil CS requirements, you can't compete with the Leaderboard, and you can't war in the prized All Star Wars. Then EE came along, and now players with barely 2mil CS can war, get equipment, and compete with larger players. In my opinion, one of the best things to ever happen to this game, regarding new players, is the SH/GH exploit.
I think a pvp promo would be the best to satisfy the pvp community. Only way to get feathers is att other members, but can only hit a certain member a certain amount of times. Make the equipment on par with ee equipment.
Cloud. We're dealing with the here and now. The devs are talking about nerfing BFE. That repost should come later.
h I see 2 risks, 1 is massive towered builds and LB will rule EE and this and not much change on that end, and SH will war with no equips, we dropped equips when when it didn't effect plunder or scale, just means every clan would require it now
what about plunder from allies should we not use this to counter build Plunder differences. with the new buildings hoarfrost you have not upgraded the maximum ally Plunder actually used
These wars are suppose to be blow to blow wars not turtle wars that's why there's a penalty for sko and ko ... It's turned into this because the devs couldn't think of a way to combat the exploits in the system and tried everything to get around wat they seem to finally be doing now
Cloud. The difference between the post times of both those posts was 15minutes. Way too long for a double post. Plus, you responded immediately to my reply, showing that you were on the thread, or watching it. And probably your main reason for doing that was because you were waiting for a reply. Well, call me annoying, but I don't think that was a double post.
Anything that screws SH will make me happy, this exploit has chased mids and bigs out of wars. I only wish that any one who dropped build to take advantage of the exploit could be forced to pay double for all buildings when they have to rebuild.
If ur all in ko and down 1 bill at the end of a set ko war guess wat u already lost old system wars were turtle wars this system was created because no one wanted to do that anymore it was boring and mundane
@phoenix. Allowing smalls to war shouldn't be by penalizing those bigger than you. People took tone to grow bigger than you. If anything the smalls who've done nothing to grow should be penalized. If rather have a system where every size can fight but not at the expense of those who've sacrificed time and money to grow.
One request on the scaling of BFE: would it be possible to make this scaling applicable only in the EE wars? Hansels use BFE in EBs to keep from needing pots as well as for getting through towers in OSW. Please leave the BFE alone outside of EE wars.
Why is there a KO in the first place then? It's not blow to blow, sorry. If it was, there would be no 10 minute time period where you can neither attack nor be attacked.
This by no means screws sh at all at best all it means is that they will have to fight in wars with other players there size to be effective as it should be the key word is matching ... Matching like size with like size as close as possible to give a real chance at a contest.
Station. With this change, if your entire team is down while the enemy is up, you lost. You were all down five minutes from the start of the war? Sorry. You lost. It would just lead to a stalemate, as both sides would be too scared to SKO. Also, you really think the current EE war system is all turtling, and is boring and mundane? If you have any experience with EE, as it seems you do, you'd know that EE wars are the opposite of boring. They're exhilarating. Unless you're a terrible warrior, of course. Then your war is spent in KO. Poopeyz - Yes. I don't agree with the SH exploit penalizing those larger players who war. So what the devs should do is find a different way to limit BFE. Don't nerf it completely. If they do that, small players don have any chance to war. If they find a different way to limit BFE, both mids and SH's win.