@ZombieTrooper probably you make confusion between communism and socialism. Capitalism bring you where you are now. Not Obama, not Bush, not Clinton. Not regularized selling of fake money (stocks) and outsourcing of jobs. You said Obama didn't created new jobs. How to create new jobs in USA? If i want to open a factory why should I pay John from Texan $2000/month as long as I can build a factory couple hundreds of miles more to south and pay to Jose $100/month. Just an example of great capitalism: Ford got government help. What was Ford next step? Opening a new factory. So far, so good... But did they opene in Detroit? A city that was left by more than half of population due death of car industry? No! They opened the factory in my country (Romania). Basically Ford used YOUR money to create jobs in MY country. How you like capitalism so far? The government could force Ford to open the factory in Detroit, but that would be government mixture therefore socialism. Without a serious involve of state government in USA economy the outsourcing of jobs will never stop. Without offering incentives for companies to keep the production in USA new jobs won't be created. That its socialism at his finnest. If jobs are keep being outsourced more and more people will need state support. This is socialism at his finest aswell. And please...don't tell me how anyone can start a business. In order to have a successful business you need customers to spend money. More unemployment means less money therefore less customers for your business.
Vlad, I'm well aware of the differences between communism and socialism. For that matter, I know very well the differences between the numerous types of socialism.
Furthermore, I made no mention of job creation under obama, Clinton or Bush. Socialism is fine if you wish to be controlled. That is, after all, what socialism truly is. Governmental control ultimately leads to a socialist state. Many former American Presidents are guilty of it, but none more than obama. America was born on freedom from such control. Our government was not designed to control the masses. Obama, however, wants total control over the American population. He's a socialist in every way, and he shows it more and more each day. The problem, as I stated earlier, is that he is supported by the lazy and simple-minded. He ultimately gives his voters a paycheck which is earned by working Americans. This in turn creates a mindless following of idiots who support him for a free check. That being said, capitalism isn't nearly as simple a concept as you make it out to be. And our economy was far better under all of our most recent leaders. It's failing now primarily because of obama's socialistic policies. It may work for some, but it cannot work here.
ZombieTrooper you said was proven that socialism never work. Well Sweden its a socialist country. Ineed they never declared socialism as official policy but most elections starting 1945 was won by the socialist party. That socialist country have one of the highest if not the highst quality of life. Anyway its waaaay above USA.
The Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Chile, Belarus, East Germany, France, Greece, North Korea, Vietnam...just to name few where socialism is/has failed.
So lets touch upon Sweden. Ummm, not a true socialist state. In fact, it's considered a social democracy.
Now, we also know that in order for socialism to have any possible chance if survival, it must exist only in small populations. The U.S. has far too large a population for this. Even if we shipped all the dregs of society (like saltyfeet) off to other countries, we'd still be far too large to function as a socialist state.
Sweden, Norway, Denmark and many other counties (Britain, Australia, New Zealand) are CAPITALIST countries and certainly not socialist. All have/had Social Reform policies where they supply national healthcare, social welfare (unemployment benefits, old age benefits etc) and better national education.
ZombieTrooper you gave me a list of communist countries not socialist ones. In France only communist party failed. Socialism succeded. Actually even today, France it is a socialist country.
All these countries, even if they have a capitalist economy, sustain wealthcare, healthcare and educational system due high taxes. How is this not socialism?
Here are a few more failed socialist experiments: People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (15 September 1963 - 1988) Republic of Bolivia (26 September 1969 - 21 August 1971) Burkina Faso (4 August 1984 - 15 October 1987) Union of Burma (4 January 1948 - 2 March 1962) Socialist Republic of the Union of Burma (2 March 1962 - 23 September 1988) Republic of Cape Verde (8 July 1975 - 22 March 1991) State of Comoros (3 August 1975 - 13 May 1978) Republic of Egypt (23 July 1952 - 22 February 1958) Republic of Ghana (6 March 1957 - 24 February 1966), (31 December 1981 - 7 January 2001) People's Revolutionary Republic of Guinea (2 October 1958 – 3 April 1984) Republic of Guinea-Bissau (24 September 1973 - 17 February 2000) Republic of Indonesia (18 August 1945 - 12 March 1967) Republic of Iraq (14 July 1958 - 8 February 1963) Libyan Arab Republic (1 September 1969 - 2 March 1977) Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (2 March 1977 - 2011) Democratic Republic of Madagascar (21 December 1975 - 19 August 1992) Republic of Mali (20 July 1960 - 19 November 1968) United Mexican States (5 February 1917 - 1 December 2000) Republic of Nicaragua (18 July 1979 - 25 April 1990) Republic of Panama (11 October 1968 - 31 July 1981) Republic of Peru (3 October 1968 - 30 August 1975) Democratic Republic of São Tomé and Príncipe (12 July 1975 - 3 April 1991) Republic of Senegal (6 September 1960 - 1 April 2000) Republic of Seychelles (5 June 1977 - 26 July 1992) Spanish Republic (14 April 1931 - 15 July 1939) Democratic Republic of Sudan (25 May 1969 – 10 October 1985) Republic of Suriname (25 February 1980 - 25 January 1988) Republic of Tanganyika (9 December 1962 - 26 April 1964) Republic of Uganda (15 April 1966 - 25 January 1971) Union of African States (23 November 1958 - 1962) United Arab Republic (22 February 1958 – 28 September 1961) Yemen Arab Republic (27 September 1962 - 22 May 1990) Republic of Zambia (24 October 1964 - 2 November 1991) People's Republic of Zanzibar and Pemba (12 January - 26 April 1964) Tell me again how well socialism works?
Again... You gave me a list of former communist countries not socialist countries. Far left its not left. Same as far right its not right. I don't mention former fascist (far right) countries to justify the failure of right policies.
Vlad, France is run by their socialist party. As far as the list I furnished you, ALL socialist. To answer your question regarding government funded healthcare, etc. That in essence is a virtue of socialism. And as I said before, many US Presidents have ventured tjat way in their hunger for power and control over the American people, but none as far as hussein have. You may enjoy being controlled by your leaders, but it's not for America.
I don't enjoy being controled by leaders Zombie. I know how it is. My country used to be a communist country...so I know how it is. Now its a capitalist one. At the moment i live in Netherlands, a country with socialist policies and respect for individuals. So yes... I can make a difference between communism and socialism and i can compare any of them with pure capitalism.
And yes, Zombie. France its run by their socialist party. But that party was elected and re-elected again and again. Apparently french population is happy with socialist party and socialist policies. Therefore i fail to see how socialism failed in France.
Vlad, give me one example of a country practicing pure capitalism? You can't. It's certainly not the U.S., hence the reason our economy is dipping (obama killing capitalism and the free market by introducing European socialist programs)