Re: 2012 All Star War - Results Will the fact i was ranked in 33rd and 29th rank for wars even though my clan rank 198th. 2nd to last If not im cool. It was a great experience. Was so jacked up on coffee that i couldn't sleep between wars and then finally crashed a 4:30am in war 3 to wake up at 7am kicked. No 3rd war reward. Poo. I was extremely active 4hrs and thirty minutes of that war. A shame. Also in retrospect the overtime shift i gave up for this war was a bad move. In turn the asw actually cost me 130 bucks. Hahahaha... aww fail
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results I agree 100% poison! I've been around kaw for a long time, having fought with Foxes in the pre-system dev wars and the team effort from Doom reminded me of those days. Every team needs to have cohesion in order to make a strategy work. It was an awesome effort. Most impressive was the drama free cc good reporting and max effort from almost everyone ... And I'd like to point out that at least a couple of our team members had not warred at all before and they did an awesome job of following directions. DOOM ROCKED
Clarification: I was not saying I had an issue with Mods being in the same clan, or that they have an unfair advantage in understanding game mechanics. I was stating Kaw_admin's response to it being a "coincidence" that was noted too late was hard to believe. The probability of multiple Mods randomly being placed in the same clan seems pretty low.
DEVS - asking us players to prove that a player form the other clan had an alt in ours is a bit ridiculous - if you don't have access to this info we surely will not. However there is a way to examine a case and reach logical conclusions: Our ASW round unfortunately involved a very clear FRAUD: (on behalf of Clan 4 - Conquest) One of our team (barcode - ranked 40 in our clan) purposely threw the game - this is called CHEATING. Quick outline of the actions and anybody on KAW can judge for themselves: 1. A huge, experienced player with about 180,000 actions is obviously he is not a noob and he knew how war works. 2. We had an extensive discussion in cc pre war specifically about the fact that no OSF should have allies (in which barcode actively participated) - at the time he was not a pure spy and he kept his allies. 3. He had an attack bldg when the war started (SS already proved it). We all checked prior to war starting. 4. Barcode basically did no hitting the entire 8 hours on opposing clan - his total was 35 actions only and he was our 40th ranked player. 5. In the last 20 minutes of the game when it was clear that Conquest won as we were up by over 23bil Barcode suddenly started osfing for the other clan - loosing 1600-2000 actions and 70-100 bil in gold in a just a few minutes. Please ask yourself why? All he needed to do was keep attack bldg and stay pinned. 6. The other clan had nothing they can do to close the gap without him. We were very clear in CC to everybody during the last 20 minutes to stay pinned. not crystalize and to keep the pressure on. 7. He never "noticed" the message that an alley was bought (although he was online at the time). Does that sounds like a good faith to any of you? 8. How can Barcode not notice 1600-2000 messages that he is being attacked and losing (while online and awake). Again - do any of you believe that? 9. If his alley was really stripped he could have easily just put the money away so the attacks stop yet failed to do so. 10. He could have put up a bldg in a few seconds rather the allow attacks to continue for 20 minutes. 11. He never self pinned so he cannot be attacked any longer. 12. He didn't ask our clan neither in cc or otherwise to pin him as he is being attacked so we can stop the leak. 13. He didn't notify anybody in our clan via cc or any other methods (Pal, PM, wall) that he is being attacked. 14. All of the attacks on Barcode came in the last 20 minutes of the game when it was clear that Conquest won and Apoc have no chance of catching up. Simple question If it was a legitimate action - would you wait to the last minute to strip an huge OSF or would you do it asap during the war as not to take the chance that he drops or sells his allies, or that one of us will buy them, or that he will put up an attack bldg - would any of you wait for the last minute? Would you wait to the last minute when you are behind the entire game with the lead continue to grow every update? 15. Barcode could have dropped out of the war once he started to get bombarded with 2000 attacks in 20 minutes - yet did nothing other then continue to OSF. 16. Barcode had only two allies and he doesn't know who bought one of them or what is the name of the ally that was bought? Or what clan they ally was from? (and we are speaking about 450 bil alt - does anybody believe that?) 16. Right after the war ended Barcode had no explanation to any of these questions (Hence he was awake at the time that all these events were taking place). Each of these actions on their own make it pretty obvious that this was BLATANT cheating - but lets put them altogether . . . what are the chances that all of these crazy things happened together? At precisly the right timing to give Apoc the win? In case you are still not convinced add the following facts: 1. Apoc passed a PM that he is going to open and they all knew to attack him in the last 20 minutes well ahead of time. (again - why wait?) 2. Some members of opposing clan members admitted and even bragged on our walls that we had a mole who gave them the game. 3. Although I didn't see it supposedly this player admitted either in forum or elsewhere that he opened up to his alt. 4. If somebody from APOC bought the barcode ally as they claim - Who was it? Come out and be proud of your brilliant move - nobody claimed ownership of the strategy that gave Apoc the victory - why? 5. What is the name of the ally that bought? It is a 450 bil one - nobody came and identified him . . . Why? 6. Where is barcode response to all these allegations? Come out from hiding and tell your side of the story. Please explain to all of us in KAW what really happened? Feel free to respond and explain any of the points above. DEVS: This is a very clear and simple case of blatant cheating that put all the ASW, KAW and your personal integrity to a serious question. Here is a simple suggestion for you to get your integrity back without "harming" the clans that won semi and final fairly. If there are no answers to how any and all of these things happened at the same time, Conquest should get at least the same amount of war tax plunder, achievements, and other rewards that the Apoc clan received. We all spent real money, many billions of gold and lots of time and efforts preparing and fighting this war, which we clearly won as checking the war history actions will show. While I have no doubt that most ppl in Apoc fought fairly and had no idea that about this fraud (and I have a lot of friends who were in Apoc), the win was achieved via cheating by some of their members. Conquest should not be punished for it! Again we have no way to prove that Barcode was an alt or why he threw the game away. However it is very clear from the above that there is no other explanation to what happened other then foul play. My sincere congratulations to my many friends and clan mates at APOC who thought hard and with honor. My congratulations to all the winners in ASW. DEVs, I hope you do the right thing with respect to the clan that was cheated in this case.
@kaw_admin Once again, I call for you to consider adding additional data to the war results table in the future. I also ask you to seriously consider the idea of players having individual "prestige" this could be a very useful tool for selecting true "All Stars" in the future, and is certainly much more useful to all than the current overall LB. Finally, I repeat a suggestion that I have made previously regarding a possible selection method for next years ASW. Obviously if you combined the 2 above ideas, you would use "Personal Prestige" rather than overall LB, but you get the idea........ Thank you for taking the time to make KaW a better game for all of us, however I repeat the calls above for you not to rush into anything, ever......... Too many times in the past, you have over promised, and under delivered. I appreciate that there are always going to be time / cost constraints, and for that reason, I would much prefer a slowly evolving well considered game, rather than huge, rushed, and ill considered, changes, forced on you by a small but very vocal group of impatient whining people.
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results Along the lines of what Jezz is saying, it's too bad we don't have battle stats specific to PvP. That way everyone would have a separate win/loss statistic only from actions against another player, regardless if it's from SW, OSW, BL. Your overall strength rank, plus your rank on a true battle stat LB, would be a much better way of determining who is an "all-star" and who isn't. As it stands right now, there's no way to tell where someone's wins/losses come from. By just separating stats you quantify a players kaw history and can separate a war vet from an eb queen in a matter of seconds.
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results There are arrogant stupid jerks at all levels of the leader board. I for one do NOT want admins to decide if my main should get the rewards. Admins allowed stupid decisions to be made and I called one on it in a PM. He admitted to his stupidity. But after the finals posted back about my "lame excuse". My account did well placing significantly above his clan rank in plunder in the first 2 rounds. In the 3rd round he did better than his clan rank but that only came about in the final 30 minutes after I stopped following the admins direction and fought my own style like I did in the first 2 rounds. Devs say that there will be an appeal process. But if I do not get my full rewards there will be non stop farming of the "stupid" admin. Not that I need the rewards. My other account already has a stockpile of aqua and inferno and nothing to enchant. The rewards should have real value for winners at each round of the war.
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results I like what Jezza and SirIssac are saying. To take it one step further, why not make next year's asw for those who were most active/most successful in the upcoming weekly wars. Then to reward the osw folks, include those folks with the best records against actual opponents (rather than ebs). Make it 50/50 sys war/osw players. You'd be sure to have some real skill on display, and both sides would likely be introduced to new tactics.
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results admin - a majority of users are I device users . Pls enable the Android style interface that shows individual plunder earned in war . Team Doom rocked . We did well as a team . System war is all about plugging leaks . This we did well . Wulf had a great strategy set in place . Also admire the " unselfish " nature of our team who reported all successfull actions in CC . Unlike other wars where ppl sit on their farms . I think a valuable way to separate the " active"
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results Continued - valuable way to determine a players contribution to clan @ " active " role in war would be see his level of Activity / quests / pinning own clan / unsuccessful actions during the 8 hr period . Players who were evenly spread out have done the Grind
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results If you want all star war to contain stars there is a simple way to do it. Lets say you have 500 spots to fill. Pm an invite to the top 500 and those who don't wish to war can decline. After a day move down the list to the next amount of players you have left to fill. This way you have nothing but the biggest players in the game fighting on the biggest stage there is. And if people have two accounts only one account per user is allowed. That can be checked easily against player purchases player accounts IP used. It shouldn't be hard to seperate out alts.
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results Kaw_admin Just a suggestion if giving reward -try to be firm of ur decision on what was written on ur thread before ASW starts -rewards should be even to all clan members who participated in war -give rewards to players who's been active 8hr straight every war (Most of us didn't sleep during the whole ASW, this is how u separate STARS(veterans) to other players, it's called commitment, while some just snoring and waiting for there rewards) No disrespect , just a thought. Happy KAWing
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results If you want the all star war to be all star. Keep it at the 10,000 that's fine. Allow 3,000 to participate. But round 1 should be an elimination round of players not teams, where best plunder less leaked plunder is the data to take into consideration. Round 1 eliminate 2,000 and keep the best 1,000 to form the ASW teams. And because of round 1 devs will have some hard data to balance evenly the teams. You can call it the pre-qualification process, if you will.
Thank you kaw_admin for taking the time to address the issues with this year's ASW problems/glitches. Personally, I feel that most of the problems came with ill prepared/thought out rules, signup, opening doors to assigned clans, etc. and hope that more time will be spent in preparation for next year's ASW. Both signups and letting in players into their respective clans came pretty last-minute, making it difficult to account for any problems that come up. However, it is great to hear that you took note of players' outrage at in-actives and that those who signed up without contributing to their team will be receiving their just desserts. As for "how active" a person was in the war effort, I'd like to throw out a possible idea to look at players' battles won changes as well as spy actions from the start to end of the wars in determining their activity. I believe both are kept track of in server records for the daily Leaderboard updates and would show activity levels of those dishing out enemy hits as well as sweepers who gave up personal plunder to plug up leaks within their clan. (Again, just a possible suggestion as admins might not remember all 190+ players and their roles in the war)
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results It should definitely stay top 5000 or top 10,000. This is an amazing event that people look forward to, and there should be a way for smaller people to get in as well. Especially when you consider some of these smaller people are better fighters than some top people
Re: 2012 All Star War - Results I got no doubt there are smaller players who could out war many that entered asw. But to pit small players against T5 bc players they stand no chance. If anything there should be a all small war Anybody below top 10k can enter and war for fun and rewards like the bigger players. This would bring a lot of moral to those who miss out on all the wars with nothing but large players. Who knows maybe I'm crazy but I think something thrown just for the smaller guys would be awesome.