Which is better? Attack or Hansel?

Do NOT refer to this guide, it has been proven by veterans of Kaw to be inaccurate and flawed


This is my first thread so hopefully I won't get much hate for not knowing how to effectively use the forum.

Lately, many people in wc or in my clan chat have asked which build is better for plunder: Attack, Hybrid or Hansel. So based on what I have seen, I figure it works somewhat like this, based on 2 components.

The first thing you need to know is each building in Kaw has a certain plunder bonus to it. For example (this is not the real value), a CoE (Circle of Elementals) at level 1 will have a Net 60K gold plunder. I say Net as each time you attack you get less gold, the Net is the increase in average from all your hits as compared to hits without the CoE.

Now that we have that piece of information, let's move on. Nobody is truly sure of which type of buildings give more plunder bonus, Spy Buildings or Attack Buildings. The only information we have on this is that Defence and Spy Defence Buildings (only on Lowland, Highland and Hoarfrost, Abyss doesn't affect) decrease plunder bonus. This being said, if anyone has a Pure Attack Build and a Pure Spy with 1 Attack Building please contact me so I may find out who earns more gold initially from unloading. I would think that this figure would be more on the Pure attack side, for reasons I will explain later.

The second aspect I find, is damage. Spies, as we all know, can hit 3x per regen if Assassinating. Troops, on the other hand, hit 2x per regen. Assuming you run a normal army without cheating with the troops glitch(may explain in another thread if interested) you will have a total of 24x Troop attacks and 36x Spy Assassinates.

If each troop hit does the same damage as a spy hit, the unload in spy hits would obviously do more damage. Some might cry out "but my troops do more damage than my spy hits!" If you are an attack build then yes, that will undoubtedly happen.

From just personal experience, I run a build that leans toward attack. However, 2x Attack hits on a T10 eb deals around 2x125 damage, while 3x Spy hits deal 3x112 damage, resulting in the spies doing more damage. I feel because of this essentially 1.5x damage per hit advantage Spies have over Troops, it is more likely that Spies deal more in overall.

I have also come across players who feel that as an Attack Build, they actually earn LESS gold from the end payout when using Spies as compared to not using spies but just attacking. This is true, and also false.

Let me set up a hypothetical situation. An epic battle with a 1000 hitpoint bar, and a person who's Attacks and Spies deal 100 damage per hit. Each Attack will earn the player exactly 1b.
Should the player Attack 10x, he will earn 10b from initial hitting. Kaw then reads that the overall gold generated from the eb is 10b. Seeing that the person did 1000/1000 of the damage, he earns the whole 10b. This gives the player a total of 20b.

Should the player Attack only once for 1b, and Assassinate 9x thus killing the eb, they would have only earned 1b. Kaw reads that the gold generated is only 1b. Seeing that the person did 1000/1000 of the damage, he earns the whole thing again, but this time only a measly 1b, totalling to 2b.

This means that on one hand the player earns 20b, on the other hand he could earn 2b. Should he Assassinate 10x, he would have a completely plunderless eb.

What happens is more of the eb's hitpoints are used on gold-earning attacks, while Spies only deal damage(unless stealing) and do not contribute to the end payout. As such, by using no Spies, you milk the eb more, something that is used frequently in HTEs. By increasing the end payout, each person will earn more on average at the end of the eb as more gold will be distributed out.

From all of these factors, I figure that Hansels will earn more than Attack builds. However, when running a HTE, ROTWB or the premier ZTA, Hansels can be real killjoys in limiting the amount each person gets by using their spies as they take end-payout gold without giving any whatsoever except from their attacks.

Overall, I feel Hansels will earn more then attack builds, but do not forget that Hansels can only earn as much as they do because of those faithful Attack-Builds who generate majority of the gold found in the eb end payout. Another thing to not forget is that if the eb fails, Hansels get hit so much harder than attack builds as they rely on the end payout for gold and as we know, no completion, no end payout.

This is the end of my guide(sorta), I hope none of you found it confusing. If anyone even reads this guide that took me 1.5h to write . Hopefully I cleared up many questions that you have had and if not, ask me those questions and I will try my best to reply.




(P.S. But if hansels end up earning almost the same amount per attack hit as an attack build, then HTE would be better with only Hansels, ones who don't use spies. It sounds ridiculous I know, but with high payout and low damage per hit, if Hansels can just not use spies in hte, the payout would be sky high )

 

Then why are you an attack build