Steals Better Than Assassinates in Ambush

Discussion in 'Strategy' started by UnicornPoopCookie, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. That's my claim. And this is a great time to test it. It's easy. Just perform the same actions between two different ambushes only when you get to the gemstones, in one Ambush, unload your spies on steals. In another, unload with assassinates.

    As long as you have the same number of unloads, you can do a direct comparison and put this question to rest.

    In my testing, an unload in:

    Steals = $1,292,788,513
    Assassinates = $1,257,307,434

    So steals were higher by about 2.8%
     
  2. Not from what i saw. The end payout for me if i assassinate is better than if i steal
     
  3. Well skimming is a different story. I steal halfway then I assassinate.
     
  4. Make sure you check after you get your bonus to do comparisons. That's because the eb bonus factor is applied to steals.

    I made $790k from steals before bonus. But the bonus factor increases it to 1.29 mil.
     
  5. 790,000? I think you meant 790m?
     
  6. And 1.29b... Otherwise I am VERY confused.
     
  7. Tested this with identical accounts 25 lands 24 guilds 1 CoE.

    Attack and assassinate bonus (standard):
    4 unloads end bonus 3.4b

    Attack and steal bonus (standard)
    4 unloads (used xtals to test this)
    End bonus 1.7b

    Overall emptying spies as steals only lowers bonus drastically.

    Note: I have not tested the skim theory just yet.
     
  8. Plot twist: It's actually To the Chamber that he's talking about.

    I prefer stealing 3/4ths of the way and regening spies though.
     
  9. Oops. Yeah shadow. 790 mil
     
  10. And vengeful...compare your overall totals in EB history after bonus has been added in.
     
  11. That was after it is added in I made more in bonus assassinating than I did stealing.
     
  12. If you're an attack build you make more gold by only attacking
     
  13. Well OP, you are making one mistake:

    The difference is small, and stealing instead of assasinating makes the eb longer, even if it's only 5 minutes every time, that's enough to do at least 1, but probably WAY more eb's in the time you have =]
     
  14. At Az, yeah. Not recommended for clans struggling to complete Ambush.
     
  15. No, but if you're making 1.2-1.3b with only unloading your spies 1 single time, you're most likely not in a clan struggling to beat Ambush
     
  16. I would listen to unicornfeces because he told me exactly what I made on a haunt. Exactly. He didn't have to scour me, he just understands the game extremely well.
     
  17. Thx Zorkay

    Anyway there is an underlying technical reason why steals make slightly more overall than assassinates.

    Notice that, if you have all the same spy buildings up then you lose almost exactly 1/36 per assassinate. And if you knew what your first assassinate is worth you can compute plunder per spy lost. It's very linear all the way to 0 spies.

    But look how many spies you lose when you steal. It is NOT 1/18 - yet you still get 18 steals in an unload. Instead you lose about 7% more than is expected. This is compensated for in the last steal to give you 18 steal totals. As a consequence, you have a higher plunder to steal ratio than your plunder to assassinate ratio.

    This accumulates during an unload and makes for a slightly higher take than assassinates alone.

    That's the underlying reason and it is very hard to notice the effect.
     
  18. *** is a 4 syllable word meaning to total or sum over
     
  19. Doesn't change the fact that not stealing in b2b Ambush, like most (stronger) clans are doing now, is still better money as far as I know =D
     
  20. My test was:

    I started at 50% both times. Max xtalled both times. One time with only ass. One time with only steals.

    The end plunder was 7 billion difference... In favor of steals.

    35 b for steals

    27 b for ass.

    The actions on the steals are considerably lower as well, but I did Max XTAL both times.