I saw on Facebook regarding Caitlin Jenner and he/she was hanging out with other transgendered women. Caitlin posted how it was a great time hanging with other transgender women. Someone commented on the post and said - no you had a great time hanging with other women. This made me think... It appears that we as a culture are making gender fluid. Maleness and femaleness aren't necessarily due to the genitalia one possesses rather it is linked to your subjective idenitification - do you identify with being a male or female? Thus, if you feel that you are a woman - your a woman period. With gender being fluid in this age of acceptance... Question: should transgendered women/men or individuals who have had a sex change feel obligated to disclose that they had surgery or are transgendered before entering a romantic relationship? Using a man as an example: I'm sure that a man who has had the surgery sees himself as a woman now but if they had to disclose they would feel chained to their past and only remind them that they aren't a woman - which I can understand to b emotionlly hurtful. At the same time, I feel that the person entering into this relationship should know this fact. Personally it doesn't bother me whether or not an individual discloses to me that they are transgendered or had a sex change surgery unless we go out - then actually I'd like to know beforehand. Reframe from rude comments or jokes. Just want to hear your thoughts. Stay off thread if you can't b mature!
If a relationship gets serious people should be open to each other about important things. I would consider being transgendered something the other person would appreciate knowing before the relationship goes too far. Otherwise it could just be a lot of wasted time. As for whatever her name is Jenner I think they probably meant its nice to be around other transgendered women because they can relate to what she's going through and it's pedantic to say "just call them women".
It's a sensitive subject It appears by labeling someone a transgendered male/female may imply that they aren't fully male it female so I understand why they would not like to be referred to as being transgendered - just male or female I would also assume that part of their identity would entail being in a romantic relationship so I assume a transgendered male/female would want a relationship someone of the opposite sex to which they are identifying with. I'm sure there r men and woman who dun care if their significant other is transgendered but I'm sure there r many who do.
@ Scumbag So if born with an arm missing you may not have a prosthetic limb ? Transgender male to female has been proven to be a real medical condition just as much as being born with a missing limb. Female brain, male body it happens. Remember chromosomes and we ALL start life as a female. XX Xy So the point being. The affected people have had to endure enough hardship during their life. The suicide rates for transgender people is the highest of any category. People should be allowed to live their life without being condemned by others as long as they cause no harm to others. Just as people with any medical condition should be entitled to seek treatment for that condition.
Technically even after an operation they would still be genetically male .... So calling them transgendered would be most accurate
You know I don't know much about this subject. I am however curious of how the military approaches it in the bear future. Live and let live is a good motto. I hope u all get what you want. Congrats to all those who didn't lose their health care, and all the couples who can enjoy life in marriage who couldn't before. Btw anything White House related needs good forum posters/commenters. Pro bono. Just saying. It looks ill when I look. Internationals are welcomed. Good luck.
trans·gen·der transˈjendər,tranzˈjendər/ adjective denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender. Meaning, transgender is used when they do not conform to the assigned gender at birth. Calling them transgender is correct, however it depends on what the person themself wants. By default though, it just means they don't agree with their gender assigned at birth. I think non trans people find it weird because of the fact that they don't go around calling their cis friends cis males or cis females, because it's been made into a "Normal".
I think it's necessary to disclose that they were previously a different gender. That's reality. They are not biologically changed so why should they believe they are changed? It's just pretend. If I go into a relationship looking for someone to maybe marry and have kids with, and I find out that I won't be able to do that, I would be mad at that person once I found out. I think it's good for people to live how they want to live and identify how they want to identify, but they should obviously know that they are transgender and not biologically the gender that they are, because worse things can happen that way. Transgender people are transgender, they should be honest when they start the relationship. If I was in a relationship I would want to know something like that at the beginning.
If they are happy, I dont care. All my beliefs are my own. I dont judge others, no matter what. They can do as they wish and I dont mind interacting with them and considering them friends as long as there is respect. Life is to short to judge others.
Mike whilst I agree with you in principle If you had a sixth toe would you have to disclose that also? Genetic women are easy to distinguish anyway. But I can see it getting harder as medical progression continues as Jenner has highlighted. But what constitutes a woman. A female brain? A womb? ( then what is a woman born without a womb?) Very sensitive topic and one that people need to show tolerance for and let others live their lives as they must. Gender reassignment surgery is listed as corrective surgery. To correct a fault of a medical condition. I would not wish the condition on anyone, but people have to consider its their life. It doesn't affect our lives unless we get involved with them. So what's the issue really. Just another category to slot people into if they don't fit the norm. God knows what that is l
All i have to say is i'm a male n fine with that. What other ppl r or choose to be is their choice n nobodies biz. Not me the govt or the military or religious orders opinions or laws r needed. Everyone can live as they please.
Optimal chaos what constitutes a woman biologically is the lack of the "y" 23rd chromosome, usually replaced by an "X". Personally I see gender misidentification as something that could be fixed mentally instead of cosmetically. Clearly we cannot change someone's DNA to make them into truly the opposite gender so maybe we could change them so that they identify with the correct gender. Did I just classify it as a mental disorder? Sort of, but they function normally. The reason why we get touchy with calling schizophrenia a mental disorder and this as not a mental disorder is that schizophrenia causes distress in daily life. Gender misidentification people live normal lives and can think perfectly well - they simply identify with the other gender. Since they can never truly be the other gender, perhaps in the future we could make it so that they don't identify with the other gender instead.