I'm not sure on a little game math here, but I feel that with all the new items and t5 that once you pass a certain threshold pots become worthless. IE they neither contribute nor detract from hit or miss. Did you ever dial in a hit on 1 canary? That only worked at T3. Now I don't think any of the pots you pay for in attack or defense have much of an effect. With the introduction of bronze bars pots are for eb's only I'd say. Please discuss. Any measurements or game math especially welcome.
Hmm that is a thought... I'd say when you start approaching t5 hlbc, bfa will do you a lot more good that pots will. But at my size, they help
They don't have much effect. That makes sense… you can't have players depending on potions, yet I think potions are slightly underpowered now… But, when fighting against a "close stat" opponent, it's better to have the advantage. This would impose more of a "war" attitude (trying to take your enemy's gold even if most of your winnings, if not all, go to potions), but it'd still be valid.
They also help significantly at my size as well. Especially the eb dropped pots. I have a much higher success rate using them against larger players than when I don't use them. I find them to be even more beneficial than the precious mith. Of course, you did say the pots you can buy..in which case if we're speaking only about them, they only help slightly I think.
When you look at raw stat bonus for price, BFA is many times more worthless than pots. Especially since all the new items came out. I did the math on this once, maybe I'll try and find the thread.
SirIsaac, the difference isn't only about price:attack stats given. It's just impossible to say one is better than the other. Allies are actual investments, of which you can get more money back, and the stats received from them are kept as long as you own them. Potions are incredibly cheap, but they only serve for one action, and you receive 3/4 of paid price. I'd say, potions are vital at lower levels, and they lose the value as you go. Still they will always have an actual value of use.
Pots give upwards of 100,000,000 bonus per hit, which is still a fairly large effect. Mith can give up to 70m attack, so pots have a greater effect than mith.
Allies as an investment is an entirely different subject. I'm referring only to the raw stat bonus from pots in relation to the cost vs the cost of allies in relation to BFA. Or also put, how much would I need to buy in allies to get a stat bonus that equals a full pot hit (which costs about 27M each). And how many full pot hits would I get before I could have purchased that much in allies. I did the math, and subsequently sold my 1.5T in allies and banked in pots. Months later, I'm glad I made the decision.
I Did some calcs quite a bit ago but can only remember the last post gives 794k Attack bonus and all together they tally around 1-2.5m attack At most,
Pots help me massively when stripping attack builds, my attack build is only T4 HLBC, so when fighting T5 HLBC I need pots to strip.
Pot v Mith values (In terms of BTA) Pots Basic 11 Atk Pots: 1.5mil atk Basic + EB Atk Pots: 2.9mil atk Basic 11 Def Pots: 1.5mil def Basic 9 Spy Atk Pots: 1.1068 mil spy atk Basic + Eb Spy atk Pots: 2.2068 mil spy atk Basic 9 spy def pots: 1.1068 mil spy defense Mith Battle Fury: 500k atk/def Bloodlust: 900k atk/def Total: 1.4mil atk/def Fog Of War: 400k spy atk/spy def Veil of Darkness: 700k spy atk/spy def Total: 1.1mil spy atk/spy def
Sholron you keen but I agree, pots are useless when you are my size and big players hit. It is as if you have nothing there.
So full mith spells (7 mith total) is equivalent to the buyable pots, or thereabouts. Mith was what, 600mil per last time it was on sale? 23 millish per hit with full pots (both atk and spy atk). We'll pop 3 of the light ones (time equal that of the longer one) for a total of 9 mith. Let's assume 10 full unloads over this duration (allows for inactivity and failed hits). ~ 240 attacks. 240*80mil = 19.2bil (full pots for every hit) 9 mith * 600mil = 5.4bil Mith is superior offensively potwise for attack, and can be assumed to be so for spy attacks, as steals rate near the same amount per unload and assassinates are about 1.5 times the attack count per unload. So other than the fact that mith is "Limited" (and I use this term very loosely), mith is far superior to pots economically. Defensively, I'm to lazy to determine atm. But unless your target is mith'd up, using mith yourself rather than pots is far smarter if yours and your target's stats are close. Pots would only be useful in closing a gap in stats. (Though a good ally bonus can do this to, and it's always there)
But honestly, mith/pots/equip will more or less be useless as more people get T5BC. Ex: BC spy can attain over 5mil spy attack stats. If I use full mith, full sdp, and have full equip (max upgrades), I run around 3mil spy defense. I'd need two mil more from build alone to counter a T5BC spy at full. And that's assuming the spy doesn't have any equip, uses no pots, and uses no mith.
Agreed with that last post Sholron. Pots aren't making much difference for me win or loss anymore. A player must be VERY close to my stats to have pots making a difference.
Swabia it looks like u should smash haunt for a few days I could get your stats on guild hansel in about 5 days, with T5 out and in propper OSW you will be constant pinned