Make America great again

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  1. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5893372

    James Traficant Jr. Is a former representative from Ohio, being only the second man ever to be removed from the house since the Civil War

    He won the hearts of the people while sheriff in the 1980's when he went to jail for refusing to foreclose on people after the steel industry laid off everyone

    Later in 2002 he was found guilty on corruption charges and served a 7 year sentence, and re-ran for office as independent while in prison and lost to his former aid

    In 2014 he died on his farm at age 75 after an accident on his tractor when it flipped over in his barn

    But while he was in office as an Ohio representative he gave one speech to the house that's got to be one of the best

    United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303

    Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
    "Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are
    official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government...

    It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
    been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress in session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
    dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
    capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
    Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
    Government exists today in name only...


    The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International
    Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International
    Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part:
    "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States."

    ...
    Gold and silver were such a powerful money during the founding of the
    united states of America, that the founding fathers declared that only gold or silver coins can be "money" in America. Since gold and silver coinage
    were heavy and inconvenient for a lot of transactions, they were stored in
    banks and a claim check was issued as a money substitute. People traded
    their coupons as money, or "currency." Currency is not money, but a money substitute. Redeemable currency must promise to pay a dollar equivalent in gold or silver money. Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) make no such promises, and are not "money." A Federal Reserve Note is a debt obligation of the federal United States government, not "money?' The federal United States government and the U.S. Congress were not and have never been authorized by the Constitution for the united states of America to issue currency of any
    kind, but only lawful money, -gold and silver coin...

    With FRNs, you can only discharge a debt.
    You cannot pay a debt with a debt currency system. You cannot service a debt with a currency that has no backing in value or substance. No contract in Common law is valid unless it involves an exchange of "good & valuable consideration." Unpayable debt transfers power and control to the Sovereign power structure that has no interest in money, law, equity or justice because they have so much wealth already...

    The Federal Reserve Act stipulated that the interest on the debt was to be paid in gold. There was no stipulation in the Federal Reserve
    Act for ever paying the principle.
    Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free
    and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913)
    "Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the
    federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties,
    assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to
    the Federal Reserve System.
    In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United
    States corporation all the credit "money substitute" it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn't have any assets, they assigned the private property of their "economic slaves", the U.S. citizens as collateral against the unpayable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers...

    Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution, feudal
    roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the people have exchanged one master for another.
    This has been going on for over eighty years without the "informed
    knowledge" of the American people, without a voice protesting loud enough.
    Now it's easy to grasp why America is fundamentally bankrupt.
    Why don't more people own their properties outright?
    Why are 90% of Americans mortgaged to the hilt and have little or no assets after all debts and liabilities have been paid? Why does it feel like you are working harder and harder and getting less and less?
    We are reaping what has been sown, and the results of our harvest is a
    painful bankruptcy, and a foreclosure on American property, precious
    liberties, and a way of life. Few of our elected representatives in
    Washington, D.C. have dared to tell the truth. The federal United States is bankrupt. Our children will inherit this unpayable debt, and the tyranny to enforce paying it.
    America has become completely bankrupt in world leadership, financial
    credit and its reputation for courage, vision and human rights. This is an
    undeclared economic war, bankruptcy, and economic slavery of the most
    corrupt order! Wake up America! Take back your Country."

    This is one official record that's very hard to find on any government website, I'm sure Congress would rather forget this ever happened, this isn't the entire quote, it's just parts I found valueable, the entire quote can be found here as well as several dozen other websites

    http://www.apfn.net/doc-100_bankruptcy1.htm

    The new deal (government)
    http://uscode.house.gov/statviewer.htm?volume=48&page=1

    It's a "crime" to "pay" any debt
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5118

    Article 1 section 10 us constitution clause 1
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec10.html

    "No State shall... coin Money... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;... or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts,"

    All contracts are void without mutual consideration (equal exchange of value) and how to fulfill the obligation of contracts when no one can pay the obligation

    Discharging a debt does not pay it, it only makes it so you can't be sued for the debt, if it's discharged with more debt, it just causes more debt that can legally only be discharged with even more debt, it doesn't take an economic genius to see that pattern

    Every president that prints money from the treasury has been assassinated, for nearly 100 years United States has been in a state of national emergency and no effort is taken to fix this threat to national security
     
  2. Thank you red I'm glad you enjoyed it, all the people who love calling me a moron running from this one

    I guess they are tired of seeing me in forums or they are starting to believe and refuse to agree with me
     
  3. Nothing to do with agreement but I'll give you this warning.

    A forums covered in conspiracy theories is still spam regardless of whether the thread has effort in the OP or not.

    Your other thread has also been bumped numerous times because you're not posting one response with your arguments but instead are posting a new message with a new quote.

    Please stop it. I have no issue with your conspiracy-tinfoil-fakeMoonlanding-illuminati-TitanicConspiracy-GovernmentControl rubbish as long as you don't flood my senses with it whenever I come into forums.

    So stop with all this flooding of forums or I'll be forced to clear it all up.

    Cheers!
     
  4. What a stuck up mod
    You need to get a job
     
  5. Lmao that's great logic there. Mod does their part to keep forums tidy by simply asking op to keep from spam bumping threads that aren't getting attention and they automatically must go get a job . I for one agree. Threads are interesting reads and whatnot. But if they die then let them die.
     
  6. No one says anything about the threads or the information I show, they just insult me directly, so how am I supposed to respond to that,

    even you moderators are insulting me directly

    Without bringing anything to the thread in any productive way, you allow the insults and the trolling to continue and join in

    I'm allowed to post in forums like everyone else, I'm just sharing information that I find with other like minded people

    You are the one with the problem not me, I didn't post a new thread for a few months I'm not spamming

    Each thread is different, I'm not conspiring anything, just sharing information, this thread is a quote from a speech given my a member of government

    In not making it up, it's not my theory, it's reality, just because your not aware doesn't mean anything
     
  7. Moody was probably bullied at school
     
  8. Spam is defined as same or similar. The theme of all your threads are of a conspiracy nature which is why it can be classed as spam.

    I'm not insulting you, I'm not calling you a liar and I'm not saying you're wrong. All I'm doing is requesting that you keep them all contained in one thread so that those who do not wish to see them across the length of AT can.

    So. To clarify, please be mindful of other users of the forums and please keep your comments and threads of this nature in one place and not across Active Topics.

    Thanks!
     
  9. How is this not a direct insult, the speech in original post is actually real, I'm not making it up, I provide the links, to the statutes at large, the United States codes, and supporting evidence, tell me how that justifies an attack to my integrity by calling me tin foil hat

    All the moderators are on board with this defamatory attack, the only conspiracy here is you moderators conspiring together to defame my reputation, it takes more then one to conspire, I'm all alone here, I'm not conspiring anything just showing people information
     
  10. Thanks, you're special too snowflake
     
  11. Even though I feel this thread should die I do mention this. The U.S. is the largest economy in the world. If the U.S. had to pay all it's debt then it's economy would crash which would lead to a global crash. I don't ever see it happening but I agree we need to work to pay off our debt
     
  12. Surprised this hasn't been locked already.
    The conspiracy theories are getting tedious.

    Make America great again.
    Ok please actually suggest ways to do that. That you haven't copied from other sources.
    Your ideas to boost economic structures and increase manufacturing and jobs.
    How to stop trends to automate jobs and ensure people have a sensible living wage.

    See for all your posts that require tin foil hats.
    You never ever offer solutions to the problems you claim to highlight.
    So my theory is this.
    You are an attention seeking drama queen that knows how to copy and paste, yet has no relevant skill set to offer any resolve to any issue you raise.
    And dear. On kaw. Even if you gave the best possible answer.
    No one would care because no one on kaw works in congress or high enough in an industry to effect a change.
    So go back to tinfoil threads. One at a time please. Don't spam them and complete a discussion prior to moving on to the next mad hatter discussion.

    Then and only then will people actually take you remotely seriously.
    A drama queen crying about what they cannot change goes no where.
    Be the change and present real potential answers to issues and someone may be bored enough to take notice.
    Still pointless. But then so are these posts.
    Tally ho old bean
     
  13. You make a good point, but considering that the currency to pay the interest that is demanded is never created, so that forces more loans with more interest, this is basically musical chairs,

    Here is an example:

    Let's say there is a small town with 50 people

    I have a printing press and you want some currency to build a general store

    I loan you 5000 pieces of paper on the condition that I gain an interest in your store until you pay me back

    You hire 47 people to build your store and you pay them, the store gets built, you purchase supplies

    The only people with paper are the ones you hired to build it so they start buying supplies from you and you make your payments to me to repay the loan

    One you get all the 5000 pieces of paper back from everyone who did the work I end up with everything I loaned you

    But now your behind on a payment because there just isn't anything left to pay me with

    I'm not going to give you a loan because I feel like your credit is bad because you aren't making payments, also you don't have any collateral because I already have an interest in your store

    You still owe me 2500 pieces of paper that I'm not going to print up, so I forclose on you and now I own your store

    I just scammed you and everyone you hired, sure the economy was booming but in reality I was robbing everyone

    I got a free store, free labor, free materials to build it, free supplies to fill all the shelves and it didn't cost me anything but paper and ink

    Now that I own the store I'll put a sign on it and advertise that I have loans to build a saloon, and the process repeats into I own the whole town without building anything
     
  14. When is the next Wall St type bail out due?
    Seriously the poor want to know when another kick in the teeth is coming.
    Anyone thinking thats not a sign of more to come is naive.
     
  15. That's why we are here, to discuss the topics, if you want me to do everything for you, it's not going to happen, people have to understand what the problem is, assuming that there is one, then we can talk about steps to resolve the problems we are aware of

    If I skip right to the remedy and do your homework for you and give you paperwork, it would be no help to anyone at all, I see allot of insults and cynical comments so I know I'm not getting thru to you, you don't understand what has already happened

    Instead of calling me names you could show us all that you are doing your homework and studying the facts and finding the evidence and bringing something to the table

    You could be adding to the topic instead of baiting and trying to act tough by jumping on the x_x is crazy band wagon

    The way you people talk to me what makes you think I even want to give you any solutions, think about it

    Imagine a War, where one guy says let's go fight, and everyone just says:

    yeah let me know how that turns out and after you win we will follow you

    I'm not saying there is a war, that's just an example of how people are, you think you're entitled just because,

    You won't be helping anyone do anything, just making cynical comments from the side line watching

    I'm just sharing information with like minded people, you don't want to be one of them and that's fine, you aren't slowing me down, your comments don't hurt my feelings

    Believe me I'm used to it, there are a lot of people that would like to join these threads and add something, and they see the abuse I get and they won't speak up

    It's discrimination, if you want to be somebody go for it, let's see who you really are

    Since October you been posting on my threads, I don't even think you read them, you just want to attack me for showing you something that goes against everything you ever been told

    All the dogmas and indoctrination you come so accustomed to hearing and seeing, you're brainwashed to think one way and you will defend that because your ego won't handle anything different

    You're the smartest man in the world and you can't be fooled, you'll never accept it, you can't fall for a lie that's repeated day after day and that everyone accepts to be true

    I don't blame you, you can't help it, I'm making these threads because I do care about people and I care about my country

    So do us a favor and look at yourself

    You just want the bottom line, you want me to give you the answers

    Let's say I did that, I tell you what to do, first of all you would have no clue why you would need to do it

    And second you would just throw more insults and cynical comments so why should I help you if you don't even know you need help

    Another thing, you act like I'm forcing these threads on you, I'm sure if I go down the list in active topic I'll see you doing your thing in every single thread, because you're one of those forum guys who had to comment and read every single thread no matter what topic

    But I'll bet I won't see you in any other thread in active topics, and if you are there is only to insult people and troll,
     
  16. There is a massive class action lawsuit going on against the irs and they're going to lose, so I'm thinking they're going to need to restock the warchest after that and find ways to increase the taxes on everyone else

    Also we have found the patents the banks are using to rob everyone, that actually patented the fraud, such arrogance of these bankers, they know no one will look and they're right

    So that's going to be another massive lawsuit within the next few years, and they're going to hike the interest rates to crippling levels on the rest of the population

    So the short answer is soon :geek:
     
  17. Why is it the more you post the less convinced I am you know anything.

    Doing our work suggesting solutions to problems you see.
    Why should we suggest answers to problems you see.
    If you don't have a theory how to improve a situation don't come on here acting all condescending telling others to solve issues you clearly have no clue about.

    And acting tough?
    Muppet that would be if I were threatening you.
    What I am saying is you know diddly squat and copy and paste halt baked theories that no reasonable member of society cares about.

    Feel free to show me you have a better understanding of the issues by presenting evidence that supports your theory and that you can actually do something beneficial to aid others.
    If you can't suggest at least one answer that would work in the real world.
    Your just flapping your gums for the sake of it.
    And nope. None of us care when that's all you do.

    Heck even on this game when players are posting insults about the events they at least try to offer solutions or ideas to fix a problem.

    You present a problem that no one really cares about.
    State the whole community is dumber than you because they don't see this delusional issue. And then completely debunk your argument by having zero clue how to remedy a problem you perceive.

    And as the saying goes. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
    So where are these wonderful plans to make America great again.
    Ideas that are legal, your own, contain constructive solutions to issues. And even how to replace this paper currency you seem to hate.

    Maybe we will listen to you. When you can back up your own rants.

    As far t all the personal attacks.
    Feeling threatened are we?

    And as to what my posts are like on other threads. Maybe you should do your homework. The search author option is there.

    Why should I do your work for you.
    And you being the poster of the thread. The burden of proof is on you to provide.
    If you cannot handle people not agreeing with you. Then perhaps you should look at yourself. The main problem is. None of your posts make much of any sense and fall flat under scrutiny.
     
  18. Look chaos, read the original post the answer is right there, it's already built into the constitution

    The founding fathers already knew fiat paper currency was a bad idea, it's never worked before and we can't expect it to work today

    The more that is printed the more it loses value, that's inflation, it's unconstitutional

    It's right there, the states can't make anything but gold and silver a tender for payment of debt,

    They've said that central banks are more dangerous then standing armies

    It costs about 2 cents to print a 1 on a stack of federal reserve notes

    It costs the same 2 cents to print a 100 on a stack of federal reserve notes

    Title 12 usc section 411 of the Federal Reserve act shows we are not even authorized by the board of Governors to use those things

    They're for federal reserve agents to make advancements to federal reserve banks and for no other purpose is authorized

    Any law that is not in line with the constitution is void, it has no legal force or effect, it's null ab initio, and we can ignore it with impunity because it's as if it never happened

    The irs don't even accept them as a payment, if you send them cash they send it back, they will take all kind of payments such as checks, money orders, canceled stamps, diamond jewelry but not any federal reserve notes

    If I give you legal tender and you refuse it there is a discharge for that amount I offered,

    That's how the uniform commercial code works, you can't hold an obligation over me and then refuse performance (payment)

    The uniform commercial code is international law, is codified in every state, and every country, it's because all countries are trading and engaged in commerce but whose law is superior? who decides?

    Instead of having drawn out court cases and all commerce and trade stopping while everyone argues about what their laws say, who is right and wrong, and who has jurisdiction where

    And there has to be uniform laws that everyone agrees to so everyone gets paid, it governs all commerce, contracts, securities, notes, bills of exchange, letters of credit, secured transactions, presentments, wire transfers, there is all kind of really valuable information in there

    Is just easier if everyone agrees to the same rules and it's all there for convenience

    We just need to get back on the silver and gold backed currency or go to a different metal, maybe an element like hydrogen or something that is so abundant there is enough for everyone to hoard and pile up

    Just a unit of exchange that's not designed to ruin us,

    It's my opinion that interest is a just another way to steal when no interest is created and the only way to pay the interest is with more collateral and a new contract that has the same interest built into it