Okay... I don't do forum threads, so this won't be all blinged up. But I do think the KAW community should understand what the devs are doing by reducing Guild stats/capability. Once upon a time the only spy building was a guild. The stats and plunder take were calculated and programmed long ago . When the SOS and then Vol spy buildings were released there was general disappointment in their small plunder increase over guilds. So there was little point in upgrading each spy building in turn, save up and do all at once. Then EE came in and it was found those GH's has a handy benefit of high plunder take and low loss ... Nice ... Good to win wars with. So where's the problem ? Well people cried " not fair" about the Guild Hansels ... Boo Hoo they better than me in war!! Well guys n gals ... That's not the GH fault it's the Devs for not making the more expensive spy buildings have better plunder stats. What you all should understand that if the Devs do this to Guilds.. And you don't storm the walls with pitchforks and flaming brands demanding fairness for the smallest spy building... Then you set a precedent of accepting stat/plunder decreases. The Devs will do it again , this time to your build that you spent real money on !!! Will you be going yeah sod the attack build/ pure spy/ hybrid then ? WAKE UP KAW COMMUNITY This potentially the first of many stat / plunder devaluations .... Are you going to just look away and let that happen?!
Again another person complaining join the line of haters and if your saying its devs fault this all started look at it like devs are correcting what they did wrong
Tigrex, I need to use the effect on Guilds as that is the building being affected. However it is the principal I'm against of a decrease in stats / capability, for a build type that people have spent real money on. I would be grateful if contributors to this thread would put together reasoned arguments for or against ... Not mehhhh Guilds Hansels deserve it.
getting a little tired of these gh threads but i understand. i would also like to play WoW and be able to destroy level 80 players while im level 2. I would love to be #1 madden with a 50 overall team just after my 1st of playing it... Games need to evolve, any normal game requires a player to develop his stats to actually make some noise. GH were good but devs finally making the nerd they needed to make this game a little more fair. EE without them will actually be worse for me due to my build but ill adapt and try to make myself usefull again. So happy kawing to u GH folks sry for the 2 days of your life u wastes doing that build...and if u complining about the money it would take to rebuild...errr...u were a money maker build and u dont have it....perhaps its a sign that devs actually help u become a better player by doing this...
What the devs should do is increase SOS and vol stats/plunder take. Not decrease guild. That's where the defect in the programming is... If their plunder take increased proportionally with each higher level spy building added, rather than being less than the take on a guild, then this wouldn't be an issue. So why aren't the devs doing this ? I believe because they have seen the furore by newer player crying "unfair" and have taken the opportunity to sneak this in whilst you all on a witch hunt! If you want to protect the build you have, and not be at risk of the devs reducing it's stats , then make a fuss KAW community...
Just out of curiosity, if the plunder from a lvl 4 guild was greater than sos lvl 1 was it also greater than sos lvl 2? Greater than sos lvl 3?
Berd this isn't about Guild Hansels.. It's about the devs reducing the capacity of a building type, because they have poorly programmed the higher level ones above it!
Verrucca, yes the level 4 guild gives better plunder than a level 3 SOS. For clarification to all those going on about Guild Hansels, that is not the point of this thread. It is to raise awareness that if you accept the reduction in Guild stats /plunder take , then you accept that the devs can and probably will do that to any building type !
i get it eric but one building easier to change than 2. I would love to see if they changed top tier builds than u would have a real buzz. perhpas they make a lite version of kaw...just with T1 or T2 builds that way u can play it midget style Just be happy u were able to enjoy gh and save the money for ur bfa etc newcomers will actualy be better players now. tired of seeing new players being told to become GH....its easier to start but doesnt really help them in the long run
So we should just accept that it's easier to de-value one building than correct the defective programming of the two higher ones?! I think we have all made ThinkingApe very wealthy and deserve better than them taking the easy route. No I contend they should correct the programming of the SOS and Vol and leave guilds alone.
If that had been their announcement "plunder increased on SOS and Vols" then the GH would naturally grow, because there is a financial benefit in doing so. KAW would be going .. Yeah way to go devs.. Your the best... And they wouldn't have forums full of "I hate guild Hansels" " I think guild hansel stat reduction is unfair" It's not too late Devs to do the right thing... Go on... You know it make sense... You want happy clients .. Not disgruntled ones that will quit the game ... It means more $$$$ if you do it that way round ...
if u dont agree with something u allways should express ur opinion, thats my personal belief. But perhpas the change wont affect u guys that much. And i think it will actually be better for the game. Ex: ally trading was affected by gh a lot, u cant get a good ally cheap (200-100b) becuz lots of gh in that range. Becuz i dont think the GH affect EE only, yes they play a major role there but they affect the rest of kaw equally. btw they allowed Big acts to do EE an big players must thank them for that. But the impact in the game development is bigger as i stated on early post. Letting a player to evolve and find a new kaw is better for Kaw than sitting with the same sats for ever.
@ Berd... I completely agree with you, the defective programming of SOS and Vol made it uneconomic to upgrade from Guilds. So it's the SOS and Vol that's needs fixing by increasing, not taking away from the Guild. Players will then want to upgrade, if no benefit in staying smaller...
Lol no one is decreasing stats if you spent money to make 975b your an idiot and they put GH down to fit in line with the T3 builds so they would have to change everything. If there is an anomally in the data you tend to change the anomaly and not the data that trends derp
@ J ... The Guild was the start point for the spy buildings . The trend should have flowed from it, however the programming was faulty. It is therefore the defective later programming that needs fixing... Otherwise it's like changing a question to fit the answer you got ?! But the main point of this thread is to ask if the KAW community is prepared to allow the devs to nerf a building ? I agree not many will have spent real money on a GH but this is tip of the iceberg stuff... Let it happen once.. There's no going back... Next time it could be your build that gets nerfed and you may well have spent real money on it.