Become a better EE warrior #2 - Spy loss

Discussion in 'Wars' started by -hippy-, Sep 4, 2021.

  1. If you haven't read part 1 about troop loss please take a look at that first

    https://forum.kingdomsatwar.com/threads/become-a-better-ee-warrior-1-troop-loss.187321/

    When you use an outgoing spy action, each building loses a certain % of spies.
    Like troop buildings, spy buildings have slight variation in % spy lost but it's mostly negligible.

    I'll say the attacker and the defender are the "same strength" if the attackers atk stat is equal to the defenders defense stat

    I'm also leaving out the case where you lose on min loss and win on max loss - they're too rare to matter

    Scouts:

    Min loss
    You lose: 2.1% (1.5% gs)
    They lose 2.8% (2% gs)

    Same Strength
    You lose 2.5% (1.8% gs)
    They lose:
    2.5% on wins (1.8% gs)
    1.4% on losses (1.0% gs)

    Max loss
    You lose 4.1% (3% gs)
    They lose 1.4% (1.0% gs)

    Steals:

    Min loss
    You lose 5.8% (4.1% gs)
    They lose 3.3% (2.4% gs)

    Same Strength
    You lose 8.2% (5.9% gs)
    They lose:
    2.5% (1.8% gs) on wins
    1.6% on losses

    Max loss
    You lose 10.8% (7.7% gs)
    They lose 1.6% (1.2% gs)

    Assn

    Min loss
    You lose 2.8% (2.0% gs)
    They lose 4.0% (2.8% gs)
    They also lose 4% troops (2.7% gt)

    Same strength
    You lose 4.1% (3% gs)
    They lose:
    3.3% (2.4% gs) on wins
    They also lose 3% troops (2% gt)
    2.2% (1.6% gs) on losses

    Max loss
    You lose 5.5% (3.9% gs)
    They lose 2.2% (1.6% gs)

    Key takeaways:
    Zsing someone is easy relative to atks - 0/62 assn at max loss will zs anyone where you need 0/98 atks to zt anyone.

    It only takes 2.5 bars of spies to zs people compared to the 8 bars of troops.

    If you want to zs someone using the fewest number of spies, use assn at min and max loss, and sb otherwise

    Steals are basically useless unless you care about the gold you plunder

    Static spy attack is far more valuable than dynamic spy attack - because of gs, regens and how easy it is to zs anyone

    You kill MORE of your enemy's spies with min loss assn and sb
     
    #1 -hippy-, Sep 4, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2021
  2. Good info!
     
  3. suggestions for how to become a better ee warrior #3 are welcome!

    Some example topics I have:
    Ko'ing and how to effectively sit repins
    Tracking - both regens and repins
    How to plunder the most as an individual

    I'll probably stay away from how to War Commander and related topics for now since they're a lot more complex
     
  4. KO’ing and Plundering probably will have the most value for the general population of EE folk, most people don’t want to/can’t put in the effort to track it seems👍🏼