This is the big question for me or one of them anyway.... A few years ago devs used to PRIDE themselves on basing wars by clan . And that the clan was the heart and soul of this game. So what happened ? Was the community to hard to please ? I know we are a picky bunch - but i think it was because we all saw what this game could be and devs were falling short. I remember reading an article from the ATA CEO or President - He said something to the affect of "we looked at data of the length of time people were playing the game. And what we found was that if a player played for a certain amount of time they tend to stay. (Which is probably true in most games ) however , the reason people stayed was not only because they enjoyed the game. But because of the connections they made with other players. The game had a great SOCIAL experience. Players made friends and stayed to be with their friends." Which i completely agree with . If i had not met the people i met - i would be long gone . So why the shift? Money ? Difficulty pleasing the community ? A lack of resources or effort in properly implementing a clan war system ? All i know is this game is becoming more and more tap and less chat. The events - indy wars FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON - hte etc These thing have their place in the game i agree. But they should not be a focal point of the game. The state of clan wars is nauseating right now for us and an embarrassment to the devs. Its almost like theyre making us hate them just so we beg for indys only. This is similar to when my gf asks me to do the dishes - i do them so terribly - she never asks me to do them again Oldest trick in the book Side note - credit where credit is due - the pvp events are great so kudos there. I dont know maybe im off here - but it just seems like a complete shift in approach from where the devs used to be . Sad really. Thoughts comments welcome and have a good day!
Not sure about the clan as being the heart and soul. There were no clans in the original kaw. Clans wars failed because people worried more about winning than actual enjoyment. Last night 3 clans were planning to primal. Then dotb came and casted their all BC roster. Since the others didn't want to get the sure defeat, they withdrew. Volia! No more clan wars.
Because no matter what they did we as a community found a way to cheat the system. Indi wars make it much harder to do that and also include anyone who wants to do ee not just those who have had the time to make a certain build for it
I feel you Spil...Sometimes I like to think that, maybe the devs are planning something that it would be worth the wait. Pride in clans is soooo scarce nowadays. Clans wars were one way of getting respect, pride or whatever. So much ideas were already suggested and what did the community get? A blank stare... C'mon devs, it doesn't take much to answer right? How about you kaw_com? Your account was created to be the medium in which the community can voice their opinions/suggestions/comments but sadly, you became an almost no-show whenever important topics would arise. You would answer in emails the usual "template" answers like "Thank you for voicing out, we'll try to get back to you" "We are planning something that the community will enjoy" "Please post in forums so devs can read it" "Yada yada yada" So devs, what will it be?
Support, last night we tried to bring back primals a bit and we had two almost exact same rosters cast. We didn't match. One side got no match and another got a lb clan when they were much smaller. It was an auto loss. This has been addressed to the devs before for a long time but where's the response? I haven't seen anything
I guess because they think no matter what they do someone or someone's going to exploit it. But that's not true I have seen a couple ideas that would completely fix it so lazy ass devs basically. Plus the game is in milk phase so they are thinking what's the point.
Frog - very true about the early stages of kaw - however devs did realize at some point that the social aspect of the game is what made it great Second point - couldnt agree more . This was enhanced by no rewards for losing side imo In regards Dotb - we all know how everyone feels about them and they know it too. They have no one to blame for that sentiment but themselves . So it is what it is .
I complain about balance and fairness - seems like reasonable things to complain about - we have had NONE - EVER
They make more off of events. The amount the top 10 spent equals to what they made off a full season of wars. There wont be clan wars soon. Will be individual only. Only way to make clan wars come back is to eliminate individual wars and fix rewards
Lies we've had some that have benefitted us. I can't name all of them but I can say that we have had some
While Clan Wars weren't a part of Season 5, we haven't given up on them. Our reasoning behind having an individual war season stemmed from a lot of how player behaviours ultimately affect matchups, balance, and ease of participation. The higher the participation, the more clans that are able to be matched with each other, and the better the odds that a suitable match will be made. Over the past few years player participation in Clan Wars has decreased, while Individual War participation remained strong. With the current wars, having 2-3 clans sign up isn't going to give the best experience, but having hundreds of individual players opt-in provides a far better one. Even then, no system is perfect and players will always look to gain the upper hand. This means that we're playing an endless game of cat and mouse, where players look to find the latest build, trick, or method to come out on top or engineer matches to ascertain their victory. Again though, individual wars limit the extent of this kind of behaviour. As Kingdoms at War continues to move forward we'll continue to focus on wars and make improvements where possible, but in the short term one way to have a better war experience is for more clans to participate and for players to engage in a fair fight.
clan wars were awesome ...for mith, outside hits, ally stripping during lol All that was GREAT ...I miss it
Weird, frog we casted based on an agreed cs with p3 that is why the size of our roster. So please stop acting like we are trying to smash small clans. I also had agreed to cf if matched either of the draft war clans.
Indi wars are not the best experience for wars in general, although at this time they are the fairest. What did u guys do with the countless pages of ways to improve the warring system your community gave u? I understand some aspects might be hard to implement and frankly not worth the time and money to do, but here's the easiest way to guarantee more participants...INCREASE THE REWARDS!!! Yes Estocs Edge is nice, but the mith payouts are ridiculous. The event equipment dwarfs season 1-4's already. And the matchups lately...more than half of the problem with wars are because of u and your broken system. The other night 2 clans were within 10mcs (I believe) of each other with similar rosters and 1 gets a clan several millions of cs bigger than them. The other a no match, what did u guys do to your system? How bout an apology and compensation in the form of they don't lose their edge, mith or xstals? Now the community is so fed up with your lack of communication and willingness to concede to your own problems that they are trying to do it themselves! Do us all a favor, be transparent with us we are not that naive.
Thank you kaw_com for replying to the op. Yes, we agree that less clans sign up for clan wars. You want more clans to sign up but how do you encourage it if the system of matching clans is....shall we say, less than desirable? I saw that LB vs STATLESS war. How could the system permit that? It is these kinds of match-ups that slowly destroy clan war sign ups. We do not expect an immediate solution but please, keep us informed like what you did in this thread.