If you don't believe then why do you need to say it here where ppl are still searching for the true reason and the truth between Satanism and the other religions? We search to learn that's how scientists learn the objects around us like oxygen, nitrogen, biotic factors, abiotic factors and many more. If we won't search then it's like, "hey, I wonder if why the balloon float?" , "what now if it float? It's useless to think about that". To the religion, we all Don't know much about its history so that's why we search for it. Christianity and the other religions are spread through a book that was written by a lot of prophets in the past and that makes us believe. Because, why would they even write it? And if others don't believe in Gods, devils, and deities then others would believe in much fantasy things like fairies (children), slenderman, vampire (older children), ghosts (which can have a relationship to the belief that heaven or other things are true since there are spirits), witchcraft (which works like what it says which also make us wonder), and other things. Supersitions still have no proof and as long as it stays as a mystery, ppl will still search for its orgins....
Incoming wall of text... The Story of Redemption Chapter 1 The Fall of Lucifer LUCIFER in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God's dear Son. His countenance, like those of the other angels, was mild and expressive of happiness. His forehead was high and broad, showing a powerful intellect. His form was perfect; his bearing noble and majestic. A special light beamed in his countenance and shone around him brighter and more beautiful than around the other angels; yet Christ, God's dear Son, had the pre-eminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created. Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon His Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ, His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was His Son to work in union with Himself in the anticipated creation of the Page 14 earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out His will and His purposes but would do nothing of Himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in Him. Lucifer was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ. Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, he bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred. Christ had been taken into the special counsel of God in regard to His plans, while Lucifer was unacquainted with them. He did not understand, neither was he permitted to know, the purposes of God. But Christ was acknowledged sovereign of heaven, His power and authority to be the same as that of God Himself. Lucifer thought that he was himself a favorite in heaven among the angels. He had been highly exalted, but this did not call forth from him gratitude and praise to his Creator. He aspired to the height of God Himself. He gloried in his loftiness. He knew that he was honored by the angels. He had a special mission to execute. He had been near the great Creator, and the ceaseless beams of glorious light enshrouding the eternal God had shone especially upon him. He thought how angels had obeyed his command with pleasurable alacrity. Were not his garments light and beautiful? Why should Christ thus be honored before himself? He left the immediate presence of the Father, dissatisfied and filled with envy against Jesus Christ. Concealing his real purposes, he assembled the angelic host. He introduced his subject, which was himself. As one aggrieved, he related the preference God had given Jesus to the neglect of himself. He told them that henceforth all the sweet liberty the angels had enjoyed was at an end. For had not a ruler been appointed Page 15 over them, to whom they from henceforth must yield servile honor? He stated to them that he had called them together to assure them that he no longer would submit to this invasion of his rights and theirs; that never would he again bow down to Christ; that he would take the honor upon himself which should have been conferred upon him, and would be the commander of all who would submit to follow him and obey his voice. There was contention among the angels. Lucifer and his sympathizers were striving to reform the government of God. They were discontented and unhappy because they could not look into His unsearchable wisdom and ascertain His purposes in exalting His Son, and endowing Him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the Son. Angels that were loyal and true sought to reconcile this mighty, rebellious angel to the will of his Creator. They justified the act of God in conferring honor upon Christ, and with forcible reasoning sought to convince Lucifer that no less honor was his now than before the Father had proclaimed the honor which He had conferred upon His Son. They clearly set forth that Christ was the Son of God, existing with Him before the angels were created; and that He had ever stood at the right hand of God, and His mild, loving authority had not heretofore been questioned; and that He had given no commands but what it was joy for the heavenly host to execute. They urged that Christ's receiving special honor from the Father, in the presence of the angels, did not detract from the honor that Lucifer had heretofore received. The angels wept. They anxiously sought to move him to renounce his wicked design and yield submission to their Page 16 Creator; for all had heretofore been peace and harmony, and what could occasion this dissenting, rebellious voice? Lucifer refused to listen. And then he turned from the loyal and true angels, denouncing them as slaves. These angels, true to God, stood in amazement as they saw that Lucifer was successful in his effort to incite rebellion. He promised them a new and better government than they then had, in which all would be freedom. Great numbers signified their purpose to accept him as their leader and chief commander. As he saw his advances were met with success, he flattered himself that he should yet have all the angels on his side, and that he would be equal with God Himself, and his voice of authority would be heard in commanding the entire host of heaven. Again the loyal angels warned him, and assured him what must be the consequences if he persisted; that He who could create the angels could by His power overturn all their authority and in some signal manner punish their audacity and terrible rebellion. To think that an angel should resist the law of God which was as sacred as Himself! They warned the rebellious to close their ears to Lucifer's deceptive reasonings, and advised him and all who had been affected by him to go to God and confess their wrong for even admitting a thought of questioning His authority. Many of Lucifer's sympathizers were inclined to heed the counsel of the loyal angels and repent of their dissatisfaction and be again received to the confidence of the Father and His dear Son. The mighty revolter then declared that he was acquainted with God's law, and if he should submit to servile obedience, his honor would be taken from him. No more would he be intrusted with his exalted mission. He told them that Page 17 himself and they also had now gone too far to go back, and he would brave the consequences, for to bow in servile worship to the Son of God he never would; that God would not forgive, and now they must assert their liberty and gain by force the position and authority which was not willingly accorded to them. [THUS IT WAS THAT LUCIFER, "THE LIGHT-BEARER," THE SHARER OF GOD'S GLORY, THE ATTENDANT OF HIS THRONE, BY TRANSGRESSION BECAME SATAN, "THE ADVERSARY." --PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, P. 40.] The loyal angels hastened speedily to the Son of God and acquainted Him with what was taking place among the angels. They found the Father in conference with His beloved Son, to determine the means by which, for the best good of the loyal angels, the assumed authority of Satan could be forever put down. The great God could at once have hurled this archdeceiver from heaven; but this was not His purpose. He would give the rebellious an equal chance to measure strength and might with His own Son and His loyal angels. In this battle every angel would choose his own side and be manifested to all. It would not have been safe to suffer any who united with Satan in his rebellion to continue to occupy heaven. They had learned the lesson of genuine rebellion against the unchangeable law of God, and this is incurable. If God had exercised His power to punish this chief rebel, disaffected angels would not have been manifested; hence, God took another course, for He would manifest distinctly to all the heavenly host His justice and His judgment. War in Heaven It was the highest crime to rebel against the government of God. All heaven seemed in commotion. The angels were marshaled in companies, each division with a higher commanding angel at its head. Satan Page 18 was warring against the law of God, because ambitious to exalt himself and unwilling to submit to the authority of God's Son, heaven's great commander. All the heavenly host were summoned to appear before the Father, to have each case determined. Satan unblushingly made known his dissatisfaction that Christ should be preferred before Him. He stood up proudly and urged that he should be equal with God and should be taken into conference with the Father and understand His purposes. God informed Satan, that to His Son alone He would reveal His secret purposes, and He required all the family in heaven, even Satan, to yield Him implicit, unquestioned obedience; but that he (Satan) had proved himself unworthy of a place in heaven. Then Satan exultingly pointed to his sympathizers, comprising nearly one half of all the angels, and exclaimed, "These are with me! Will you expel these also, and make such a void in heaven?" He then declared that he was prepared to resist the authority of Christ and to defend his place in heaven by force of might, strength against strength. Good angels wept to hear the words of Satan and his exulting boasts. God declared that the rebellious should remain in heaven no longer. Their high and happy state had been held upon condition of obedience to the law which God had given to govern the high order of intelligences. But no provision had been made to save those who should venture to transgress His law. Satan grew bold in his rebellion, and expressed his contempt of the Creator's law. This Satan could not bear. He claimed that angels needed no law but should be left free to follow their own will, which would ever guide them right; that law was a restriction of their liberty; and that to abolish law Page 19 was one great object of his standing as he did. The condition of the angels, he thought, needed improvement. Not so the mind of God, who had made laws and exalted them equal to Himself. The happiness of the angelic host consisted in their perfect obedience to law. Each had his special work assigned him, and until Satan rebelled, there had been perfect order and harmonious action in heaven. Then there was war in heaven. The Son of God, the Prince of heaven, and His loyal angels engaged in conflict with the archrebel and those who united with him. The Son of God and true, loyal angels prevailed; and Satan and his sympathizers were expelled from heaven. All the heavenly host acknowledged and adored the God of justice. Not a taint of rebellion was left in heaven. All was again peaceful and harmonious as before. Angels in heaven mourned the fate of those who had been their companions in happiness and bliss. Their loss was felt in heaven. The Father consulted His Son in regard to at once carrying out their purpose to make man to inhabit the earth. He would place man upon probation to test his loyalty before he could be rendered eternally secure. If he endured the test wherewith God saw fit to prove him, he should eventually be equal with the angels. He was to have the favor of God, and he was to converse with angels, and they with him. He did not see fit to place them beyond the power of disobedience
The Creation THE Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated--of creating the world. The earth came forth from the hand of the Creator exceedingly beautiful. There were mountains and hills and plains; and interspersed among them were rivers and bodies of water. The earth was not one extensive plain, but the monotony of the scenery was broken by hills and mountains, not high and ragged as they now are, but regular and beautiful in shape. The bare, high rocks were never seen upon them, but lay beneath the surface, answering as bones to the earth. The waters were regularly dispersed. The hills, mountains, and very beautiful plains were adorned with plants and flowers and tall, majestic trees of every description, which were many times larger and much more beautiful than trees now are. The air was pure and healthful, and the earth seemed like a noble palace. Angels beheld and rejoiced at the wonderful and beautiful works of God. After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God said to His Son, "Let us make man in Page 21 our image." As Adam came forth from the hand of his Creator he was of noble height and of beautiful symmetry. He was more than twice as tall as men now living upon the earth, and was well proportioned. His features were perfect and beautiful. His complexion was neither white nor sallow, but ruddy, glowing with the rich tint of health. Eve was not quite as tall as Adam. Her head reached a little above his shoulders. She, too, was noble, perfect in symmetry, and very beautiful. This sinless pair wore no artificial garments. They were clothed with a covering of light and glory, such as the angels wear. While they lived in obedience to God, this circle of light enshrouded them. Although everything God had made was in the perfection of beauty, and there seemed nothing wanting upon the earth which God had created to make Adam and Eve happy, yet He manifested His great love to them by planting a garden especially for them. A portion of their time was to be occupied in the happy employment of dressing the garden, and a portion in receiving the visits of angels, listening to their instruction, and in happy meditation. Their labor was not wearisome but pleasant and invigorating. This beautiful garden was to be their home. In this garden the Lord placed trees of every variety for usefulness and beauty. There were trees laden with luxuriant fruit, of rich fragrance, beautiful to the eye, and pleasant to the taste, designed of God to be food for the holy pair. There were the lovely vines which grew upright, laden with their burden of fruit, unlike anything man has seen since the fall. The fruit was very large and of different colors; some nearly black, some purple, red, pink, and light green. This beautiful and luxuriant growth of fruit upon Page 22 the branches of the vine was called grapes. They did not trail upon the ground, although not supported by trellises, but the weight of the fruit bowed them down. It was the happy labor of Adam and Eve to form beautiful bowers from the branches of the vine and train them, forming dwellings of nature's beautiful, living trees and foliage, laden with fragrant fruit. The earth was clothed with beautiful verdure, while myriads of fragrant flowers of every variety and hue sprang up in rich profusion around them. Everything was tastefully and gloriously arranged. In the midst of the garden stood the tree of life, the glory of which surpassed all other trees. Its fruit looked like apples of gold and silver, and was to perpetuate immortality. The leaves contained healing properties. Adam and Eve in Eden Very happy were the holy pair in Eden. Unlimited control was given them over every living thing. The lion and the lamb sported peacefully and harmlessly around them, or slumbered at their feet. Birds of every variety of color and plumage flitted among the trees and flowers and about Adam and Eve, while their mellow-toned music echoed among the trees in sweet accord to the praises of their Creator. Adam and Eve were charmed with the beauties of their Eden home. They were delighted with the little songsters around them, wearing their bright yet graceful plumage, and warbling forth their happy, cheerful music. The holy pair united with them and raised their voices in harmonious songs of love, praise, and adoration to the Father and His dear Son for the tokens of love which surrounded them. They recognized the order and harmony of creation, which spoke of wisdom and knowledge that were infinite. Some Page 23 new beauty and additional glory of their Eden home they were continually discovering, which filled their hearts with deeper love and brought from their lips expressions of gratitude and reverence to their Creator.
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@alissa . Umm. If you read what I wrote I basicaly said look for the truth just don't be fooled. Also I didn't say I didn't believe in anything I said I choose no religion. So are you saying I must choose a religion to believe in spiritualism. Same reason you are fooled by my words same reason you'll b3 fooled by others. Anyhow gl in your search . But to be fair and give whatever the true higher power his chance to reveal himself and also as you stated to give science and research the oppertunity to prove truth make sure you read every religious text ever written. This will help you not miss the truth. But all in all most religions say you can find got within as I stated previously church religious books aren't needed. But choose your path wisely cause the wrong choice according to almost every religion means eternal damnation.ps Jesus went to the desert to fast no books ect just looked within . In case your questioning what books I've read. Tora,koran,catholic bible,Christian king James bible,book of mormon,and I've done alot of study on Judaism, American Indian beliefs,knostic teachings,alchemy,book of the dead,dead sea scrolls,Buddhism, and I could keep goin nor am I done reading. So I study all religions. Seen lies in all of them. Seen truth in all of them. Seen a reason to mislead in all of them. And if the most high wants me to be blind about anything including faith then it must want me blind to all other things for a reason. I choose to leave doors open and be blinded by nothing. If that's not acceptable to search for the truth then maybe these so called gods do not have my best intentions at heart and I maybe better off not Goin to their place of control. Sorry long ps lmao have a great day and I hope you find your needle in the haystack
(Alaissa) I see... You look at religions as a thing that fools us.... That it wasn't true since it's like finding a needle in the haystack with a blindfold... What is faith basically? Faith is believing in things that you don't see... Yes we believe in things that can be 100% fantasy or supersition but, you know what, if I don't believe that there is God, if I don't believe that I am not made for a reason in the future which God plans for me, then maybe I am like a body with no soul, feeling no hope to live, feeling like I am useless in the world, that I am alone, no one knows me, no one knows the real me, no one knows if what I truly feel... If I don't believe in God, then I won't realize that there's a lot of things which makes me lucky than the others which what do we call, "blessings". If I don't believe in God, then maybe I would be depressed by now, then maybe I can't see life as what it is now, I wouldn't see that there's a thousand, or a million of good things that I have than others who are scarcely lack of it. If there's no God, I wouldn't search for the life's meaning, I wouldn't learn how to be happy, I wouldn't learn how to endure life's challenge.... Because if I don't believe in God, then I wouldn't learn moral lessons from the bible, I wouldn't struggle to pass the challenges of my life.... I wouldn't even mind if I do bad things.... That's why God is important to me, those stories that had no proof gives lessons of life, gives a reason for us, Christians and other ppl who believe in Gods, fantasy, and deities, to live....
Ok I've known right from wrong since before I knew what religion was. Don't need a belief in a god to know right from wrong. I also stated I'm spiritual I do believe in a higher power just think alot of lies out there, just saying study objectively not blindly.also you say god helps you realize people are less fortunate then others my brain and the common sense it possesses shows me that not a god. You say god motivates and challenges us to achieve things harsh is ect. Well I've got a 7th grade education and did over 5 years in jail, only to obtain a contractors liscence run a business own a home and have a well loved family . I achieved this without religion or god , was also happy motivated didn't feel isolated or alone . Hers the deal I never said for you not to believe or you are a fool you said that. In fact I said study and be cautious and all religions s contain truth and lies I would also be calling mys3lf a fool for studying religeon. I never said you are wrong . I don't know the truth anymore than anyone else. That fact I'm aware of this puts me closer to finding the truth. Can you admit you may be wrong lol???tell me if I'm wrong also. You think my views and ideas about being cautious are wrong. Remember I said I'm spiritual and study. The fact I won't claim a religeon or god bother you, or do you feel I'm at a disadvantage haha. Also take what I write for what it is not what you want it to be . You quoted me then wrote opinions about my quote that don't correlate to what I wrote. So before inserting that shoe back in your mouth actually read what I write not what you think my perception is please. Then we can get back to a debate able position . Ps the needle in the haystack implies hard to find not blind folded fool ,I can see metaphors aren't your strong point
Huh, I'll accept your own desicion if you respect our desicion. You know what, you can find a needle from a haystack. How? Then search each hay ONE BY ONE. Yes, one by one, but if there's a proper reason for you to even find that needle. It's nighttime here ask it to my friends if where I live and compare the time that's my proof it's night here...
Ok I can see you do not think critical . I will end this with a you are right lol. I have no defence against ignorance . I'm very impressed at your reading comprehension skills also. I do hope you haven't graduated yet . I always forget this is a 9+ game and that I might be debating with a child.but once again you are right I'm wrong no reason to respond I give you the victory .
I don't want victory. I just want to prove that we believe for a reason. After all of your research, you had decided to shut your eyes from those beliefs, and never believe in it. But imagine, why would someone write a book with a lot of stories which you believe are not true? I don't care if you don't believe in God, I just want to show if why do we still believe. And by the way, I am graduated so don't look at me like a small kid. I had just ran out of time.. And I'm not finished yet....
At least refer to which God u speak of. Let me guess... There is only one n none of the others? As in other threads... Which is it..All Gods or None? Come out n say it that other faiths follow false Gods. IMO for what its worth.. Religion is the oldest con job in history Subject to interpretation n manipulation.