true, but its hard to "prove" that someone is intentionally losing. Clans can say things like "we want everyone to war and have fun, so we Have a house rule that you don't have to cast mithril". Or "we are a training clan. We want people to learn how to war here with out having the pressure of winning" While these reasons are most likely thinly veiled lies that vanished palidin chasers could toss out, they cannot technically be disproven, and devs won't act on a "hunch", even if they I is its probably true. This is why I see some clans with terrible house rules and no wins ever still signing up each week to war. Having a process that only lets you earn back what you invest would kill abuse dead. Also, the vanished palidin should be around to help clans manage risk (invest mith and lose, get it back). It should not be there to profit losers. (Invest zero mith, get between 10 and 15)
I agree, no profit to losers. But no matches should still get access to TVP because it's not fair for some people who clear their schedule or stayed up to 5am or what ever else excuse they have and didn't get to war. I agree with your % back though, anything below 100% but above 50%.
Exploits abound and to me the answer is easy both to inspire clans to war at minimum risk and kill exploits. When a clan loses each participant receives back only the mith they cast. No waste of time for the rest of the clan whilst vp is run. No exploit as there is no way to make a profit. Not as much risk so more able to war with full effort and mith usage ( which will help winners as well ) due to the mith used being refunded you aren't worse off for doing the war beyond the cost of the pots you should of burned. Simple easy fast and cannot be exploited.
Can't agree more... with late wartime scheduled Saturday for us Europeans It too late for V-paladin. U get what u given is ok but better if u get that amount of miths depends on how u fought in war is more logical..
No matches may well be a pain. Had one the other day. However it cost me little more than time Certainly no mith or gold so why if I get a no match should I gain free mith when the chance is there to kill an exploit? I'd rather have my time spared and go to bed after a war if I were to lose than have my time wasted with vp. As would every active member of the clan that has to sit idle watching vp being run. Given the choice between the potential hours wasted on vp for so many clans and the frustration it brings over a no match free mith pay out. Losing vp is far more the preferred option to me.
@Kaw_admin. I really think that it's better not to run VP at all. When a war ends, the loosing team players should be awarded the Mith they cast (up to a max of 15 like VP drops) If a player doesn't cast Mith spells for the war he should get NO Mith back. The Mith should be awarded by the war system at the end of the war, as it does for the winning clan. Then all clan members can join in the next EB started straight away.
Just a final note. For clans that get no matches, they should be exactly the same. The system should award them the Mith they cast up to a maximum of 15. But ONLY if they cast spells for the war.
What if u make it to where none warring mems can hit vp but receive no bonus, only woc castes mems can receive mith payout, the none warriors get no bonus and would basically be like hitting the bl in a sense coz u get no bonus as like an osw. This could speed up killing vp n get it done n over with
Better idea: DELETE WARS AFTER THIS SEASON, or decrease the amount of lvls to get rancor's set and end it this week. It may be a war game. But its driving people to farm and force people to quit kaw due to wrecked accounts. It's causing HEAPS of complaints about war times and mith drops etc. Its a war game, but doing this will finally stop people from making people quit, stop driving people to get up every night, and then complain about war times( i said earlier) . I do have a feeling that the wars are in place to encourage that its a war game. But there should be some way to fill in the ee war gap, something people would complain less about, so they can be happy playing kaw 24/7, and also so that people can stop farming , anyway, people till they reset or quit. Something to stop the ee wars and fill the gap so that everyone can be happy. Honestly, Don't Know Why, But did I Say Stop Scrolling ??? PS - Im a sucker at persuasiveness.
This can be abused by people losing purposely casting all mith and buying 6 mith plus the mith they casted
It's good to see kaw_admin interested in this. But his idea makes us going from a bad scenario(doing a boring eb @4AM and not being sure if it will finish) to a worst scenario. Moose and others explained why it's a worst scenario: 1)it doesn't fix the farming TVP exploit, 2)"seal" drops on owner and the TVP can be made in a second moment but you, kaw_admin, forget that TVP is open exclusively at players who warred or tried to war. That makes even worst the situation. You want to keep the TVP at any cost? OK. Then nerf the eb, make it do-able in let's say 5 minutes(no clan do TVP for gold). Keep the same quantity of mithril droped......but make an additional condition to have the drop: Mithril can be droped only to players that have used a determined quantity of mithril(14?). No TVP for NOMATCH. This will force teams to lower their roster exploits i.e. clans stacking some LB with an army of tinny GH(yeah, still the GH) or clans that makes ridiculous rosters pointing on nomatch and then farm TVP.
I'm so sick of doing this EB, it's 04:17 here now! This is a chore, come on Devs, eliminate these Bains in the system???
If you go to war does your country gain back any money? No. This system if fine be thankful you get any back.
No support simply because this doesn't help anyone u lose wat u wasted and if ppl dont like war they shouldn't play its a war game