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thoughts on caster semenya

Postby unstoppableTIGER on May 4 2019, 10:47am

This topic fascinates me

Caster is an track athelete who was recently handed down a judgement to lower her testosterone levels or she will no longer be allowed to compete in her event 800 meter.



What’s unusual about the case

1) caster is genetically XY but developed as a female

2) she is what is referred to as intersex - meaning she lacks some female parts such as ovaries and uterus and has some male parts such as internal testes. In a sense caster is a hybrid or blend of male and female.

3) she grew up believing she was a genetically a girl. she ran track and blew away her competition winning gold medals in 2012 and 2016 olympics and has won her last 30 races in a row. Testing revealed male levels of testesterone in her blood which then led to the discovery that she was intersex. I’m not sure how she took this news.

4) I’m not sure what her testosterone levels are but an average male has 10.41-34 nmol/L so I’m assuming her levels are in that range. Yes female do produce testosterone but it’s 0.5-2.43 nmol/L. And even experts who spoke on caster’s behalf admitted that a female having high levels of testosterone in her blood would give a competitive advantage

4) the sports court won’t let her compete in the 800 anymore unless she gets her t count to 5 nmol/L which is still pretty high. Caster has stated that she will not lower her t count thru hormone therapy.

5) caster ran her last 800 this week and blew them away and still hopes she can find a way to defend her world championship title in September.



I do feel badly for caster. She grew up her whole life thinking she was genetically a girl only to be told she is genetically male. She also grew up loving track competition - she saw herself as a gifted runner who is now told she can’t compete anymore. She isn’t cheating; she’s not taking performance enhancing drugs; this is her body and it produces a hormone that helps her.




Sooo....

Should caster be allowed to run with women without hormone therapy since she identifies as one?

This also opens the door for transgender athletes. Can a male who identifies as a female compete in female sports and vice versa?




If you want more info, google: lets run caster semenya
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby Lonesong on May 4 2019, 10:50am

no
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby nath1501 on May 4 2019, 1:21pm

Does she have a Willy or a Mary
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby jstrong58 on May 4 2019, 1:39pm

She should run against guys if she is internally male. Nothing is stopping her from running but it’s unfair for a male to run against females because of the genetic advantage they have. So he cannot run against females but nothing is stopping him from running against other males since it is a genetically level playing field
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby AUrUM on May 4 2019, 2:42pm

jstrong58 wrote:She should run against guys if she is internally male. Nothing is stopping her from running but it’s unfair for a male to run against females because of the genetic advantage they have. So he cannot run against females but nothing is stopping him from running against other males since it is a genetically level playing field
Im not usually one to get upset about this but... Are you purposefully alling her "he"? She grew up and developed as a female, believes she is a female, and only recently found out she is genetically male (despite her development)
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby unstoppableTIGER on May 4 2019, 2:43pm

nath1501 wrote:Does she have a Willy or a Mary


Did you not read the post?
She believed that she was a female for most of her life. Others thought she was a female as well.
She was unaware that she has internal testes and only thru genetic testing and other tests was she made aware that she has XY chromosome.

She is not considered male though she has XY chromosome and testes. She is not considered female as well. She is considered intersex - a blending of male and female. 0.018% of the population is intersex



It’s sad because she spent her whole life thinking she is the best female 800 meter sprinter. She wins the olympics and world championship trials - she’s on top of the world.

Then, the next moment she’s told: “Oh, you’re not genetically female; you can’t run anymore. You’re not this gifted female after all because genetically you’re genetically male.” I can’t imagine how one even takes this kind of news privately. Her condition has been made known publically. Now all her records prob will have an asterisk. Feel bad for caster.
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby -RagnaR- on May 4 2019, 3:07pm

Perhaps
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby Babycakez on May 6 2019, 3:06am

nath1501 wrote:Does she have a Willy or a Mary


She got a Mary on the outside but a willy on the inside
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby RM_SPARKIE_RM on May 6 2019, 7:01am

Why post this on a war game really 
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Re: thoughts on caster semenya

Postby Meiska on May 6 2019, 7:49am

Simple have the internal testis removed. There now she is a girl as she thought she was her whole life.
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